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Bertie - 5/7/2008 11:58:09 AM
Greetings to all. I just wanted to say to the young people and church at St. Croix I enjoyed the service last Saturday, May 3rd 2008 and was blessed. It was the first time I watched online without have a chopy feed and I'm glad I did. Good music and I even danced at home. Good job to Filbert and Cardel on their instrumental. Sister Stephanie and the praise and worship team. The bass man Moses President good job. Gideon superintendant great job. Winsbert Jagrup for guiding the lesson study. And last but not least Jessie, Stewart and others who helped to make it possible. Everyone, keep up the good work in Yah's ministry in reaching the world. Sometimes we need to recognize and encourage our brethren in their worldwide work for the Lord. I would like encourage you to add to this post in showing your support and praises for the young people of YHWH. If you haven't checked the online service yet do so this sabbath. Yahueh bless you all, w/love.
Its Urgent Its Urgent!: Bro. Thompson - 5/8/2008 4:22:35 PMWebmaster! I think we should remember the people of Burma in our prayers. Putting away all our differences; can we as COG7thday members send a team to help? I call on Bertie, SOT, Coach, Connel, Jagrup brothers and any other young man to join me ASAP for this urgent task. It’s about time we as COG7thday play an active role in showing the World we care. Looking forward to all of your commitments.
Thank You: Webmaster - 5/7/2008 1:30:12 PMBro. Bertie. Thank you for the post. I first want to thank God for allowing us to utilize his technology. I also want to thank all the brothers and sisters that always assist me every service in setting up, configuring, and operating the machines so the word can reach throughout the world. I am currently working on configuring our own dedicated media server to host and stream our radio and video programs. Please be patient with me because we are trying to raise funds for the proper equipment to give our viewers the best video/audio experience in watching our services from the Caribbean. I will keep you posted on my progress.
We keep missing the point:
Freedom - 5/6/2008 7:10:47 PM
Hello Coach & SOT: The notion that once you appose the COG7thday’s doctrine you’re suddenly been branded a false prophet and Babylonian is outrageous. Please Note: that the COG7thday has made a very strong claim: to be the (ONY TRUE CHURCH). This means: “We are the only Church in the whole wide World to have God’s Truth. How can we substantiate this claim? When it is obvious that we are for all my life at the bottom of success. God’s people are the most successful. Jesus rightly said, “Greater works shall he do. While we spend most of our time criticizing others, ” We sing from Babylon Hymn Books. Go to their School, Hospitals etc Watch their TV and call them Babylon? Have we forgotten? “Not only them that do them but they that take pleasure in them.” There is no way we can progress with such double standards. Our foundation is misleading due to incorrect interpretations of scripture. Page 1 of 3
Re: We keep missing the point: Freedom - 5/6/2008 7:12:42 PMPage 2: A house built on sand cannot stand. Today not even a headquarters that we have left in Jerusalem. Most of our Churches are no bigger than Michael Jackson Bath Room. Is that what “we are the light of the World” represent to you Guys? Can you all not see that something is consistently wrong? Where have all this alleged doctrine and so call truth taken us? The truth is, unless we understand that Christianity is the Great Multitude (Belief and faith in Christ Jesus) we will keep being blind. The reason why we do not want to accept this as Fact, is because we as COG7thday have a history Judging other people’s lives. We keep saying to ourselves, that we are better than them. But judgement does not belong to us. Every man must examine himself.
Re: We keep missing the point: Freedom - 5/6/2008 7:13:40 PMPage 3: Guys like Bertie are major liabilities to this Church. He uses this site to exalt himself in vain glory. In fact funnily enough, he has stated in previous posting and I quote “I was a COG” yet he speaks as if he owns COG7thday. He has no standing! I suspect he is associated with the Assemblies of Yahweh congregation. All these people seek to do is to impose Law and more law on people. These religions are not progressive, and will never be. As Paul explained “Why will Christ build again the things that he has already destroyed?” We spend time preaching to the converted: Most of the people that we preach to, have already accepted Christ Jesus. We should be spending our time helping them build on their faith. Instead, we take them back to the Old Testament trying to covert them to Judaism and the Laws of Moses, which has no life, and can’t give them life. We will continue to fail and be a dying Church if we don’t change.
The vision :
Soldier of Truth - 5/3/2008 9:30:26 PM
hey beloved brothers. coach ellis berie cornel, I am a brother from Antigua. I can see the coming of the ends of times as i am sure you all can see. The question is what are we as the Church of God going to do "stay in a lukewarm state" an allow men like Freedom to put us down. Freedom has points that we must hear like it or not (but Feedom the Law still stands). Malachi 3:16 then they that feared the lord spake often one to another.... We have not spoken together for so long something most be done now! Revelation tell us that the Lord is coming for a Church that has made her self ready NOTE A CHURCH THAT HAS MADE HERSELF READY Rev. 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. We most begin to break up our follow ground. As i said before we need to start at home our local churches our local conference. I will tell you that the brothers here in Antigua are ready to begin the process 1/2
Re: The vision : Soldier of Truth - 5/3/2008 10:00:55 PMLook at this brothers (Freedom listen up) Luke 13:6-9 Luke 13:8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: Three years there was no fruit found on the tree, like the Church have the standards or fruits that where shown at pentecost in the book of Act visiable with us today does the world look at us as they did the early church. You know the answer but you may not like it. Yet favour has been shown to us as a people "let it alone this year". We need to come to together and dig about the issues and dung it. Prepare the ground that the tree can bear again. Brothers the truth is we need to go back to foundation bible base doctrine 'NOTE AM NOT SPEAKING OF YOUR INDIVIUAL CHURCHES AM TALKING ABOUT THE CHURCH OF GOD WORLD WIDE" NOTE: the roman catholic church got together at the council of Nicea and other times and have set up a monpoly on the word to the hurt of the truth. but the light cannot be hid So lets talk while we can2/2
Re: The vision : soldier of truth - 5/6/2008 10:57:51 AMSo who thinks it possiable to get the churches for a world wide Retreat to fast pray and study the word of God?
Re: The vision : Freedom - 5/6/2008 4:53:39 PMLook below Prince Bowers is right! some great points that he made.
Yes SOT! this is a great idea. Make sure we invite Thompson and alias also to this retreat. Looking forward to that
Re: The vision : Soldier of Truth - 5/6/2008 6:52:22 PMHELLO MODERATOR WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT THIS SAMUEL SMITH PERSON WHO IS MESSING THE MESSAGE BOARD?
A vision:
soldier of Truth - 5/1/2008 1:41:43 PM
I dont know if others think like me but there is one thing that has been going back and fort in my mind that its time that Church of God world wide get together for a elders, decons, missionarys and devote men of God for a Retreat. From the reviving of the Church in the 30's -40's when they put together again the 70, 12 and 7 I do not know of a world wide gathering of the Church we have all been in our little corner with our own belives and ways of doing things. I its high time that we begin to reason together in real way Isaiah 1:18. We are coming closer to the end of the world and the Church will be attacked even more. Yes the time to truly be Labouring we now John 4:31-38. But for us to be more effective we most work as one Eccl 4:11-12. Jesus our lord is returning for a Church not churches doing things there own way. For us to work together we must agree Amos 3:3. i wish we could being discussing a coming together and praying about it. whats your view?
Re: A vision: Freedom - 5/3/2008 3:45:47 PMSOT: GOGth7day have got it completely wrong! Keeping the Law is NOT the result of faith. Try to understand this! Faith without works is dead! True saying! But the works does not reflect keeping the Law, in the manner which COG7thday teaches it. Here is a good example: Christ said to a Jewish man, “Sell all you have and give to the poor.” If this man had obeyed; then by his action of selling his goods, would be considered his works. In other words, Christ was re-emphasizing, that without faith it is impossible to please God. We are saved only by Grace through Faith. That’s why Paul said that the Law is NOT of Faith. Faith is about (Things NOT Seen) Note: If we already know the results of the Law how can this be Faith? Nothing can revive us if our foundation is weak. Our doctrine constitutes more arrogance than Fact. Page 1of 2
Re: A vision: Freedom - 5/3/2008 3:46:57 PMPage 2
The Law according to the gospel is Emanuel (Christ in us) Not the 10commandments which we cloth ourselves in every Sabbath. Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness to them that believe. If we say we are the only true Church. Why are we not a progressive? All we do is criticise. Yet we make little or no effective contribution to this World at large. Christ is the light of the World Not the dark. If we have the truth lets prove it by leading the World in healing, raising the dead, preaching, giving etc. Jesus said greater works shall he do. Well after 100years COG7hday is still in the wilderness. Our arrogant doctrine is our worse nightmare. Salvation is for all who believe by faith. (End of story)
Re: A vision: Soldier of Truth - 5/2/2008 7:17:45 PMrevival under Jehoshaphat 1Chronicles 17:6-9. Its Time to do as the prophet Haggai says in Chapter 1:7 Consider our ways. Instead for working for ourselfs let us build the Church of God seek for the old paths and stop removeing the ancient land marks Jer 6:16, Proverbs 22:28
Remove not the ancient landmark, which thy fathers have set.
Job 24:2
Some remove the landmarks; they violently take away flocks, and feed thereof. Let us reason at a level that we have never gone to by coming together prayfully seeking God once again to direct us into his divine true. Start at home at your local church at your general conference till the true fire of God begins to brun a revival in our souls and be that true Chruch again. awake awake awake!
Re: A vision: Cornel - 5/3/2008 1:17:24 PMExcellent call Soldier! I truly believe that each of us have to be a church so that when we come together it will be churches forming a church. Then we will experience the true meaning of fellowship & being on one accord. Then the Holy Spirit can be working again as in the days of the early church. If we walk in the light as He is the light then we have fellowship one with another & the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. Let each of us say, "may the revival begin with Me."
Re: A vision: Cornel - 5/3/2008 9:48:59 AMExcellent call Soldier! I truly believe that each of us have to be a church so that when we come together it will be churches forming a church. Then we will experience the true meaning of fellowship & being on one accord. Then the Holy Spirit can be working again as in the days of the early church. If we walk in the light as He is the light then we have fellowship one with another & the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin. Let each of us say, "may the revival begin with Me."
Re: A vision: Freedom - 5/1/2008 2:24:59 PMSot: That has always been my point! After 100yr there has been no progress in our Church in spite. It means something is wrong. We are a vain Law religion. I get sick when i read some of the crap that ( POPE Bertie and others) keeps writing on this site. keeping the people in more ignorance. Its not working and will never work because there is no light in us. We are so bent on law condemning every other Church. Just a loop: sinners judging sinners. Anything of God progresses if not it has no truth
Re: A vision: Soldier of Truth - 5/1/2008 3:33:46 PMfreedom i will agree that something is wrong but not that we are a vain Law Religion. Some people have forgotten that faith and works go together and some like you may have forgotten that the law abides forever and that we cannot say we Love and not obey the word of God and keep his law Holy and not in unrightousness as some do. What we have fail in is this to reason one with another and seek the face God to direact our part. There are so many different "Churches of God". All am saying now is the time for us to reason together and stop fighting the word of God and speak with one voice and have one mind 2Cor 13:11, Philippians 2:2 and Philippians 3:16 "Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same RULE, let us mind the same thing. and yes judging others and condeming them is wrong. yet is our duty to speak the true that a man can be made free wheather he likes it or not. for the truth shall set you free!.
Re: A vision: Ellis - 5/2/2008 10:19:54 PMSoldier of Truth, thank you for the way you responded to "Freedom". There are many that have come on this board that have spoken against the law. Yet do they realize, to go against God's laws, is to oppose God himself. As our Saviour has taught his disciples, if you love me, keep my commandments. To say there is no law means that sin does not exist, for "sin is the transgression of the law" (I John 3:4) Let us all remember that even though we keep God's commandments, it must be taught in love (1 Corin. 13). God Bless and keep up the good work!!!
Re: A vision: Freedom - 5/3/2008 4:04:08 PMEllis please stop teaching that. we should be ashame that after 100years our mission bears no fruit. Thats where we should be more concerned. Every branch in me that bears no fruit is cut down. We keep fighting a loosing battle. Chist is the Law and the word. HIS Comandments. NOT the law of Moses. HIS meaning The Command of the Gospel which Paul recieved by revelation. If it was the books of Torah then Why should Christ border to come? Makes no sense man! stop it. Wake Up. For Years All COG7th day righteousness is based on is: Passover once a year, We not going to heaven, We keep the sabbath, We eat no unclean meat. None of this is important for salvation. John 3; 16 make NOT concessions.
Re: A vision: Coach - 5/3/2008 5:33:37 PMSo, according to Freedom in the last 100 years, we have not saved anymore souls, we have not built anymore churches, have not gone on anymore missions, have not... Are these and others not fruit? Perhaps you are the one not bearing any fruit and in danger of being cut off, because my experience over the years that the negative words you keep spewing out over this site is part of what is responsible for keeping us from doing more.
Re: A vision: Soldier of Truth - 5/6/2008 6:39:22 PMGREETINGS MODERATOR WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT THIS SAMUEL SMITH PERSON WHO IS MESSING THE MESSAGE BOARD?
Question to bro Prince Bowers:
Gom Dang - 2/9/2007 9:14:49 AM
Dear bro, i read alot of message about the reform doctrine, would you please make clear the doctrine that need to be reformed. Is it the 40 point of doctrine or the others?
Re: Question to bro Prince Bowers: Prince Bowers - 4/18/2007 5:35:51 PMHi this is Prince Bowers: Let not your heart be troubled. We must understand that salvation is only by grace through faith in Christ our Lord. Our cammandments is to preach the Gospel of Jesus Love and Peace to the World. Insted we grab hold of a selective part of the old testiment law. Aspect like going to heaven or raigning on earth is of non importance. worshiping on saturday or sunday does not matter. Eating unclean meats not an issue. Lord supper once a year. Not an issue. what is important is bringing Jesus to the world and keeping his cammandments of Love. The main reason why our church don't grow is because: most of the people we preach to has already accepted Christ. such as Pentecost, Adventise, Baptist etc. And we want to reconvert them to the Law way of the old testiment. Can't work. Anything not of God can't stand it will fail. its confussion. But we can make a big diffrence if we prove our love to others. we will bare much fruit. Time to cast our Nets on Jesus side.
Re: Question to bro Prince Bowers: annies - 5/6/2008 5:33:19 PMok. first of paul said if any man come to you preaching any other gosple than that you have been taught let him be acursed(Galatians1:9)now first of prince bowers you are not a functioning brother in the church of God, that i know for sure.NOW what does scripture say about grace and please take a look at the scriptures even though you have already read it.(Matt5:17) christ did not come to destroy the law or the prophets but to fulfill. now yes i agree that we should preach the gospel of jesus love and peace to the world, but was jesus only about love and peace? did'nt he have any morals values, order and diciplines in his ministry?now what did jesus say about the commandments that God himself wrote on tablets of stones with his own finger? (matt22:36-40) when christ was aske about the law what did he say after the explanation"on these two commandments hang all the law and prophets" please noteord "HANG" the first four commandments speaks of love towards GOD and the rest MAN.
Re: Question to bro Prince Bowers: SMILE - 5/6/2008 6:24:01 PMIF A MAN WORSHIPS ON SUNDAY, EAT ANY THING HIS HEART DESIRES WITHOUT ANY KNOWLEGE OF THE TRUTH AND DOES IT GENUINELY THEN GOD WILL CHOOSE TO SAVE HIM. BUT TO YOU THAT KNOWS THE TRUTH AND SELL IT FOR A LIE THAT YOU CAN CONVINENTLY FULFILL THE DESIRES OF YOUR HEART TO LOOK LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE, EAT LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE AND NOT BE A SEPARTE PEOPLE UNTO GOD, YOU CAN PREACH LOVE ALL U WANT AND SPEAK JESUS ALL U WANT. YOU WILL SEE THE GATES AND NOT ENTER IN. IF YOU ARE ASHAMED OF BEING TOO DIFFERENT FROMTHE WORLD THEN CHRIST WILL BE ASHAMED OF YOU. do you want to know what is love? (read 2JOHN1:6) are you sure you love GOD? read( 1JOHN 5:2-3).IF YOU SAY YOU LOVE CHRIST AND DOETH NOT THESE THINGS THEN YOU ARE NONE OF HIS. STOP LISTENING TO THESE TBN PREACHERS AND WHO ALL KNOW THE TRUTH BUT ARE HUNGRY FOR LARGE MEMBERSHIP TO FILL THEIR POCKETS.PPLE HATE TRUTH AND AS LONG AS TRUTH IS PREACHED PEOPLE ARE OFFENDED JUST LIKE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW BOWERS. IT TAKES THE SPIRIT OF GOD TO BRING THEM IN.
Re: Question to bro Prince Bowers: Bertie - 4/20/2007 1:41:01 AMPrince, while we must understand that salvation is by grace through faith in Christ, you must understand what that means. Our commandment is not to preach the Gospel of Jesus Love and Peace to the world. Unless you are talking about the levitical priesthood law of animal sacrifice there is no such thing as an "old testiment law". Reigning on the earth is very important and scriptural. Keeping the Lord's commandments do matter that's how we know one loves Him--therein in is love. Eating unclean meats is not an issue to the already damn, but it is an issue to obeyers, believers and lovers of God and Jesus Christ, and obedience is an issue for salvation. You do not understand what you are saying in "commandments of love" be careful my brother. The old testament is what the holygohst works with to teach us and is what the appostles learned and taught. Yes, we must do everything in love. And it is time you gain some understanding. resist not the holy ghost. w/love
Re: Question to bro Prince Bowers: Bertie - 4/18/2007 10:44:38 PMI also would like for you to post here in plainly bullet points what you do and do not stand for as a child of God and against the COG 7day. I, yet not I but the word, will answer. I realize that it will not be feasable to write them all out here, so I will address them in word document form and with the permission of the master, carefuly explaining for you and exposing your error. I pray that you find it soon to humble yourself to the word of God, or the word will abase you. w/love
Re: Question to bro Prince Bowers: Bertie - 4/18/2007 10:34:37 PMMy dare brother, it has been many months since i've been on here and the last time i was here I believe a saw you with these same comments. You are void of understanding. you are wrong for what you are saying. It sounds as if someone from from the "grace" doctrines have been teaching you. People like you are considered as "the simple" because you have no understanding and therefore take what someone say without researching for yourself. I remember you said something about the "law of Grace", well, there is no such thing my brother. I have put together a document for you and others read once the webmaster post it maybe then you will stand corrected and repent. I suppose that all this time no one has yet to put you in your place, thus, by the word of God the scriptures will do just that. Just hold tight and be patient. w/love.
Re: Question to bro Prince Bowers: Prince Bowers - 4/19/2007 2:46:27 AMBro Bertie its nice hearing from you. It has truely been a long time I hope that all is well. Just one correction I spoke about the Gospel Law Not Grace Law. Anyway on the subject. Are you saying that people who go to Baptise, Pentecost, etc are not saved? why because Bertie says so? Oh No! They are all our brethen and we must embrace them.
We spend our time Preaching Jesus to the Converted. Remember Paul when he went to Athens? those people never heard of the true God. But now this era is a little diffrent. We must now preach more about the end time. because many peope are turning away from the faith and belief in Jesus because of Technology and sin. Bertie I love you man be strong you've got a great Zeal. God Bless P.S I am not an enemy. Infact i love you all
Re: Question to bro Prince Bowers: Bertie - 4/20/2007 1:07:44 AMMy brother, the scriptures do not support that "physically registered" members of the "church of God 7day" will be saved. Neither do the scriptures and letters support denominationalism. So, answer not a fool in this deceitful thing it is strife and foolishness. Denominationalism is the product of polluting the true gospel of Christ over time (Acts 20:27-31). No one is to hang their hat on anything, but the word of God. Except it be by the mercy of God only those of the 1 true church, the Church of God, will be saved. All members of the church of god will be saved. What then is the church of god, or the members? Is it the group of people worshiping in a build registered with the government under such a name? Not everyone that is a registered member of the church's title are to be considered saved or are true members. So who are they? (....to be continue 1/2)
Re: Question to bro Prince Bowers: Bertie - 4/20/2007 1:06:04 AM...(continued 2/2) The church of God is made of members and the true members are they that believe and obey God. Not by ignorant boasting of membership, but by the ministration of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the high priest. Of which we who believe do work the things of His law (not the sacrificial) as testimony of our faith in him. And so like I said, all members of the church of god will be saved, Romans 9: 6-8; 11:26. The church of God comprise of members working together in one body, which is Christ’s and with one unified goal/doctrine, 1 Corinthians 12. For example, the church of God can comprise of 3 members: 1 in Japan, 1 in Alaska, and the 3rd in Brazil working in various ways, but for 1 goal: to preach the good news unto salvation. The church of god does not reside in registration or geographic headquartering, but in doctrine, beliefs, deeds, and obedience to the faith Jesus according to the true gospel of Jesus. w/love, my brother.
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Re: Question to bro Prince Bowers: Bertie - 4/19/2007 10:45:07 PMMy, brother, first, I would like to commend you on your response being more temperate than I was; may God water this spirit that is within you. I am stirred up in the spirit not because of your unsound belief, but because of your railing accusation against the true gospel of Jesus Christ, by whom I live. I have not read your post but I can see that you are in grave error opposing yourself causing others to err. My brother, I hope that you are not doing this spitefully, but that you truly are ignorant of the gospel. I therefore am extending myself to address all things you are opposed to, not to show myself approved and not to uplift this church but that I might show you and others your error for your own good and for the glorying of God. I have never said that other organizations besides the COG 7day will not be saved—I do not believe that. This era is the same as when Christ commanded the Apostles to preach the TRUE GOSPEL OF CHRIST (which includes the end time message).
Re: Question to bro Prince Bowers: Bertie - 4/19/2007 10:44:26 PMPeople have been turned from the faith which is the Gospel and this is because preachers are out there for their own pockets deceiving the simple. Post your questions for me, God Bless. w/love.
MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION:
JOHN - 3/29/2007 7:02:57 AM
Shalom brothers and sisters. I want information supported by the scriptures explaining whether it is good for one to eat mushrooms or not. This arises from the fact that God dictated to Moses in Lev. chapter 11 which types of food to eat and to avoid. Then I remembered our Pastor said that it is not scriptural to eat the stuff though he did not elaborate on the same. Please enlighten me on this issue. Thanx.
Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: waimahia - 3/22/2008 3:29:01 AMHi john, I have come across this anti-mushroom teaching before. It arises from Genesis 1: 29 where God talks about herbs and seed which bear seed. Because He didn't mention mushrooms which don't bear seed some people say they should not be eaten. This is a falacious argument. As you know mushrooms are a form of fungi. So is yeast and we are most certainly permitted to eat bread which is risen and then cooked containing yeast. God does not forbid fungi but we have to discern which are edible and which are poisonous.
Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: Jay - 6/19/2007 3:39:44 PMThe law on the eating of food was never given to the gentiles, Paul was sympathetic to say that one should abstain from blood and strangled meat and to consider your brothers to avoid offending anyone.
Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: BooBob - 3/21/2008 8:25:11 PMThey actually grow underground. The tops are the fruits, and they produce spores i.e. to re-distribute their reproduction when ripe. They usually PUFF when bumped when ripe.
Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: Kintu - 4/27/2007 6:14:39 AMin the beginning God gave man all the fruit bearing seeds and herbs to eat. what do yu consider a mushroom to be? I love it and eat it ca there is no scripture to prove that it is unclean. It is a plant and i will contimue to consume it, unless someone can prove to me through the scriptures that it ain't so. Blessings flow...
Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: marion2 - 3/29/2007 11:19:48 AMBro John, i got this information from a friend who is into science and he said that mushroom is really a fungus they come in many different size, shape, and form some are even poisonous there are no real health benefits from them, some of them has a worm that is not good if get into your body, but some people choose to eat some of them. There are no scriptures to prove that we should avoid them as are so many other things, i hope this will help you a little, but there are a lot more information on this out there. SHALOM
Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: Prince Bowers - 3/29/2007 2:34:46 PMHi Bro John. Ask no questions. Whatever is before you as long as it is recieved with thanks EAT. We are no more under the Law. Nothing is unclean of its self. What goes into a Man does make him unclean. Is what comes out. Only Jesus Christ can make you clean. Peter never eat unclean foods, yet Jesus told him unless i wash you, you are not clean. Blesss the Lord and give him thanks. This is not important for salvation. I love you man keep up the good fight. Let no man condem you. Jesus loves you. Peace.
question: G. Dang - 4/15/2007 7:04:03 PMHello! bro, Prince Bowers are you really a chg7th day believer?
Re: question: prince Bowers - 4/16/2007 4:10:27 AMAre you saying to me, To be a church of God you have to believe everything the Church says? or we have to search the scriptures. I look for truth in the scriptures. For that reason i am a Child of God. I love any one that believes in God only and worship God. That is the true purpose of the Bible to turn people away from worshiping anyother things but one God the maker of heaven and Earth.
Re: question: G.Dang - 4/18/2007 2:19:24 PMThe reason i asked that question is becouse alot of your message are not Bible teaching and what the COG7th Day believe on.
Re: question: prince Bowers - 4/19/2007 5:13:57 AMBro. Dang You are a reasonable man i can tell. You've got a good Heart. Bless the Lord. Its only because you have accepted Christ. Just like many of my other friends from various Churches. Bro Dang I am a Church of God Proper. I know what we believe and teach from my youth. My problem is when i search the scriptures I can't see why we can justify our reasoning. I am not asking people to leave the Church. I am just saying that we can no longer teach thoses things, as they are not biblically credible. Our jurisdiction is to teach Christ Jesus to the world and let him be Lord, Master and Judge.
Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: Ellis - 3/29/2007 10:48:47 PMJohn, interesting question! Many people have no idea why we shouldn't eat mushrooms, so here we go... The answer is really simple; 1.A Mushroom is a fungus 2. It doesn't bear seed after it's kind. Mushroominfo.com says: "White mushrooms, like all mushrooms, grow from microscopic spores, not seeds. Plants growing from spores are called fungi." We can compare that to Gen. 1:29 "And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat." Also in Gen 9:23, God told Noah: "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things." So quite simply, if a plant (or in this case fungus) does not bear seed, it is unclean. And for those wondering; Lettuce, cabbage etc. does have seed. Unclean foods can't become clean after a certain amount of time. If God did'nt make it to be consumed, don't eat it!!
Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: GreekGrass - 3/21/2008 8:43:42 PMOr a Sowing Grass fit for sowing ? The greek
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Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: marion2 - 4/2/2007 3:07:06 PMThank you Bro Ellis, for those verses of scriptures, some people when they want to do things that are contrary to what God says they find all kinds off passage in the bible to justify what they think is right. just wondering if they put some of those poisonous mushroom in front of them if they will eat it with all the talk they are talking. My dear bro continue to study the words of God and the spirit will lead you into all truth.SHALOM
Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: Prince Bowers - 4/11/2007 2:51:59 AMHI sister Marion Please read your Bible and pray before you speak. Jesus told his disciples: If they eat poison, it will not harm them. The question is: Are we not also an extention of his diciples? Don't keep making statments without thinking. What about:Sugarcane, Yams, Patatoes, etc. They have no seed. Ask your Boss if they are bad to eat. You can tell i am really enjoying this. ha ha keep all the Law. Not Part.
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Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: marion2 - 4/12/2007 12:58:33 PMI told you that you are a very ignorant person and love to argue the scriptures. Jesus told HIS disciples: if THEY eat poison , it will not harm THEM, (that is just the disciples!! NOT YOU or anybody else) when he was sending them out to preach please read that scriptures again, and also read st john 17, and pay close attention to verse 20, he also send out seventy read st luke 10; if a child of God accidently eat or drink poison it won't harm them, but if one deliberately do it to prove a point it will kill them that is a form of ignorance my bro, i could say more, but that will make me look as ignorant as you, and this time ask God to give you the understanding, instead of making all of your sarcastic remarks that is not Christ like, and i hope that you are praying for God to change your self righteous ways, with all your babblings Paul warns us against such, your thinking is that you alone have the truth, so good luck in getting into the kingdom with that attitude my bro. SHALOM
Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: Prince Bowers - 4/12/2007 6:23:18 PMHi sister, I can see why Paul said the woman should keep silence. I forgive you. its not your fault. Is your leaders. Thankyou for your scriptures. Great text. You just keep missing the point as usual.This is the Gospel law NOT 10 commandments. On the subject there is no evidence that mushroom kill people. At least i am not dead yet. I love you very much and looking foward to meeting you on my visit soon. I will give you a big hug & cuddle. Prince
Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: marion2 - 4/19/2007 12:33:29 PMMy dear bro there was a reason why Paul said that women should keep silence in church, my leaders are not God, so they can't lead me wrong, what does the 10 commandments have to do with eating? as far as eating mushroom to each man his own, salvation is an individual thing so you eat what ever you want, but i will eat what God says as written in the bible, and i never said that people have died from eating mushroom, i said that there are poisonous mushroom you're not listening I don't think that i am missing the point, you are a little too hasty you argue the scriptures, the bible says come and let us reason together, you make some good points, but your attitude turns people off, and i am sure that is not what you want to do as you are professing to be a child of God. And i love you too my bro, and this is one sister that will not keep silence. SHALOM
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Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: Prince Bowers - 3/30/2007 4:38:05 AMBro Ellis Why then do we eat sugar cane? Are you saying that we are suppose to wear cloths only 100% fabric. Do we ask questions about whos blood when we go to Hospitals? OH why do we sing sunday worshiping christians Hyms if they are unclean?& are of Babylon? Or why do we go to their school? Well according to your law only a few will be saved. I beg to disagree. Not important for Salvation. I will Keep to Jesus as my Law. "What goes into a man does NOT defile him" . Peace and Lovexx
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Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: Gid - 3/30/2007 9:45:48 PMTo continue where i left off, let's take a closer look at Peter's vision where he fell into a trance, and saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat, Acts 10:10-13. As we read on, he replied to God that he never ate anything common or unclean (Because of Leviticus 11). The interpretation of this vision is in verse 28, "Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; BUT GOD HATH SHOWN me that I should not call ANY MAN common or unclean" ("ANY MAN" NOT BEAST). This vision was to show Peter that the Gospel must be preached to the Gentiles also. Where the prophecy may be fulfilled, "ALL nations of the earth shall be blessed" through our Lord Jesus.
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Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: Gid - 3/30/2007 9:27:25 PMGreetings Prince Bowers, I'm sure we both believe in the Bible, and we should let the Bible answer this question. Because, all scripture is written by men who were inspired by the Spirit of God. I'm sorry, but i have to disagree with you with your comment about this law not being important to salvation. James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all". When the Lord comes with fire to judge the world, what will happen to those who eat swine's flesh?
For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with His chariots like a whirlwind, to render His anger with fury, and His rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by His sword will the Lord plead with all flesh: and the slain of the Lord shall be many. They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be CONSUMED together, SAITH the Lord, Isaiah 66:15-17.
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Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: Prince Bowers - 3/31/2007 4:50:40 AMHi bro. Gid nice hearing from you. Please say hello to all my love ones.
As you know i was born & raised a COG7th day and still is. However, I beg to disagree with much of its teachings, because it does not add up. Christianity is not Judaism. Our Savation is only through faith in Christ. Thats why i have described COG as the remnants of a conflict between Judaism and Christianity. Because The Jews in Paul's days of establishing the Church could not accept the liberty in Christ. & hence kept refering back to the Laws of Moses. Rom.10:4-10 Gal:3:10.
James 2: 10 is in line with Paul' message. If you say you are keeping Law. Keep every thing. don't do it half way. A classic example :Hence i say to my breathen why do we not keep the feast? or observe the new moons? and other sabbaths? They will be kept according to Zach. 14. If so we are guilty of everything. I can say & prove much more but the sprit has asked me to shut the book. Have a happy sabbath i love you all. Prince.
Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: cindyl541 - 5/13/2007 12:04:09 AMContinue to challenge us brother...we will grow stronger as we search the scriptures. Here is one for you. If the shoe fits, please wear it.
See to it that no one misses the grace of God and that no bitter root grows up to cause trouble and defile many. Hebrews 12:15
May He bless you all and give you peace and clarity of mind. cb
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Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: Jay - 5/22/2007 3:12:03 PMIt would be very kind of you all not to take this discussion so personal and try to have an open mind. Search, and research before making offensive statements. This is for our growth and knowledge; please be guided. Thank you.
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Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: Prince Bowers - 5/15/2007 3:19:07 AMCindy Please stop using "bread & Butter" scriptures to establish points that don't exist. Both sides can use those text. Lets us rely on the biblical evidence and so far the church is loosing the arguement and will continue to loose it. Because this is not sound doctrine. The Message of the Gospel has taken precedence over the Law. Nothing you eat can make you unclean.
Re: MUSHROOM CONSUMPTION: wh@t!!! - 5/6/2008 4:54:35 PMfirst of let me say that paul asked us to avoid foolish and unlearned questions. there are no scriptures to prove that mushrooms are unclean or should not be eaten. but prince bowers i have a few questions for you. does the word of God change? which law did christ nail to the cross? was it god or moses who told the children of israel what to eat? which part in the scriptures says or encorages one to pray over anything and eat and why did it say so? and if we are free to eat anything are rats and dogs and cats and snakes edible? when paul got the vision with all manner of meats what is the real interpretation of this? now please I am very humble in asking you those questions please be kind enough to carefully answer them for me please and i would also like the scriptures.
Open New EYES: Bertie the Battle is not mine:
Prince Bowers - 4/27/2007 6:06:31 AM
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Greeting brethren, I know it is difficult to put New Wine in old bottles as Jesus rightly explained. However, touching the many thing in accordance with the manner in which Bro. Bertie explained is misleading. I have already identified his misjudgement of the scripture 2 Peter 3:15. To be quite fair to him, he is really trying his best and that is understandable. There are many thing which I would really like to explain in full, however I can’t due to web space constrains. But I promise to explain each text expressly as quoted by bro. Bertie: Romans 3:31: Acts 24:14 1Cor 7:19; Romans 2: 13, 25; Psalms 1: 2; Psalms 119:7, 8, 10, etc. As I explain earlier the Bible does not speak against it self. It can’t. Firstly let’s look at Romans 3:31: continue: 2/2
Re: Open New EYES: Bertie the Battle is not mine: marion2 - 4/27/2007 2:59:20 PMI agree with you my bro, thats the problem with COD brethern they or some of them never wants to open their minds to nothing new where the scriptures is concern and there are so much to know, but we have to keep telling it,as the spirit reveals it to us, and not our own understanding and never get tired, and we have to do it all in love for everyone. Christ says those who have ears to hear will hear. SHALOM
Re: Open New EYES: Bertie the Battle is not mine: Prince Bowers - 4/27/2007 6:08:09 AMContinue 2/2
We establish the Law through faith. Great text: meaning: Any who accepts Christ as their Lord & King, is establishing Jesus as the cornerstone and now allow his will in their life. This has fulfilled and established the original By Faith Abraham story. Hence in the past only a few Jews were privilege by the deed of the Law but now by faith through the Holy Sprit The entire World now know this one God Abraham spoke about. Why would Paul establishing some thing already practice among Jews? Why should i build up the things which i have destroyed? In other words why should i use black&white TV or old manual type-writer, when we've got colour TV, internet, computers etc. If you choose to live in the pass you are free. But new light has come into the world. Continue 3/3
Re: Open New EYES: Bertie the Battle is not mine: Prince Bowers - 4/27/2007 6:10:28 AMContinue 3/3
The man who invented/ discovered “Penicillin” Does it matter whether he was Black, White, Asian, etc? The most important fact is that it works. And it does not matter what colour or race you are, it works, so all have received its benefits. Well in like manner, Abraham the father of faith, in his time, was the only one who believed that God was not a graven image or idol. And now, this concept is globally established and accepted by the same faith in Christ Jesus, by the Gospel that we preach. This is the perfect Law. The Law of the Lord: Showing mercy & Grace to all who believe. Amen.
Re: Open New EYES: Bertie the Battle is not mine: Bertie - 4/30/2007 11:45:49 PMGreetings in the name of Jesus, the high priest of the Most High, who does service of the Law in spirit before God makind intercession for us when we break his commandments. My brother Bowers, I thought I made it clear that you should read the file before you speak. You said you were a student in higher education. Don't you konw it is unwise to attempt to talk about something you don't know about. From hence forth don't give us the PBV (Prince Bowers Version) only quote scriptures with fewer of your explanations. When I see that you have read the file I will respond. Neverthless, I'll respond and answers all your lies on Thursday (God's will). There would be no ground left for you to stand on because you foundation is built on sand and your building is built with stubble. This has gone on long enough; you have 2 days to defend your words in scripture. We will see who is telling truth Bowers or Jesus/God/the Word. God bless. w/love
Re: Open New EYES: Bertie the Battle is not mine: Prince Bowers - 5/1/2007 12:11:39 PMHello Bro Bertie, With all due respect, I completely understand why the Web Master refused to publish your alleged dossier of evidence regarding keeping the law of old. It is clear that the web-master & I do not always agree. However, on this occasion he has definitely made the correct decision. As this has the potential to discredit the Church even more, causing further embarrassment. In your Introduction Paragraph 3 you stated that the 10commandments is God’s perfect Law. You are so incorrect. That seem silly to me. w/love. God’s perfect Law is Jesus/ The One Commandments of Love. Tell me how can it be other wise? when 1Cor. 13:13 states that the greatest is Love John 3:16 for God so love. Paul in Gal: 3:17-19 made clear that the Law was only temporary till Jesus came. The law of the Lord is perfect meaning: the Love of God Christ Jesus. The one who shows grace & mercy to all who believe, whom all power of Judgment is given unto. I will continue another time just too busy.
A Time to Remember.:
Prince Bowers - 4/17/2007 9:20:37 AM
Brethren, all being said, let us take sometime to remember those who lost their lives in the Virginia Tech School tragedy in the USA. Let us all at this moment remember especially their love ones, in this time of grief.
Proving Our Point:
Moderator - 4/15/2007 9:31:18 PM
As much as it pains me to do this, it is only fair to all that i do. We must realize in the proliferation of truth, we must be honest and avoid laying snares for each other, in an attempt to gain credence. Deceptive practices must not and will not be condoned. Please be aware that as web master we are able to see the IP addresses of those posting on the board. Having said this, as much excitement as Mr. Prince Bowers brings to this Board we must expose him for what he is. Postings made by RITA on 4/15/07 and Mr Prince Bowers on the same 4/15/07 bares the same IP address. This would mean, both posting were made on the same computer. Please Mr Prince Bowers, we know the time of the end is at hand and the devices of the devil are many but please, we appeal to you do not continue to be his advocate. Thank you.
Re: Proving Our Point: cindyl541 - 5/13/2007 12:23:19 AMI am new to this site but from the very first postings, it was revealed to me that "prince" Bowers is a very contrary individual with less than good intentions. Now reading this I am certain of it. He is well learned but highly deceived. His constant challenges only serve to confuse those who are new to the faith which is how the devil works. Beware. Search the scriptures and listen for the Lord's promptings.
WHEN WILL COGth DAY EVER LEARN?: prince - 5/13/2007 5:45:15 PMDear Web Master, Why tell lie before God and before Man. It surely does Not pain you to keep publishing this Proving our Point Message. For which I have apologise undeservingly. “THAT’S MY POINT!” I have sat in the COG7th day for over 40years lessoning to people like you preaching to me about Forgive&Forget and you put nothing into practice. Like I’ve said, I already know your doctrine. It’s a loop on a road to Nowhere. One foot in the Old Testament, One in the New, and one Hand on the Book of Life> Judging people, trying to take over God’s Jurisdiction: calling everyone unrighteous: and Miss quoting text even in 2007. IT has Failed and will continue to Fail. Where there is no Vision the people Perish. I am not an Enemy. Defend yourself with the Word that’s OK. But personal attacks are Void. If by the Law I will have that cote of righteousness? Well, Forget it. My Law is only Christ Jesus: In him I find true rest, peace and sweet Victory. His grace is sufficient for me Amen.
Re: Proving Our Point: Prince Bowers - 4/16/2007 5:04:36 AMMy Main reason : I had to force Bro Ellis and Bro Ivan To give me an answer. As i am aware that the only scriptures they could have quoted is Jesus New testement text or the message of love from the Gospel. Which means that the message of the Gospel has taken precedence over the Law. Hence, If Jesus says what goes into a man cannot defile him, it cant. Call no man unclean. Nothing he eats can make him unclean. Paul is consistant with that truth. In the same way as stonning to death. You have to be consistant in your teaching. If you believe in the Law do all aspects of it. Hence i had to play the Joseph and his brothers game for a season to Prove This Point. Bless the Lord for his son Jesus Who has saved us from the heavy burdens of the Law. I do not know Rita lol
Re: Proving Our Point: prince Bowers - 4/16/2007 12:14:39 PMI Know what your Main Topic will be this sabbath............RITA! lol But before you all Rejoice, I will say one more thing. Jesus Christ did not die for Every Man. As he did not come for the Righteous. I am glad that all of you are righteous Law Keepers. But I Know he came to save sinners of which i am Chief. Thank God! His Grace is sufficient for me.
Re: Proving Our Point: Ellis - 4/16/2007 6:59:57 PMMr. Bowers, it's amazing how much someone will confess when caught in their wrong doing. Unfortunately, this is one instance in which you can't weasle your way out of. I am EXTREMELY disappointed in you. As someone who claims to know the scriptures and profess love, it seems the only reason you are on this board is to boost your ego. You even try to demean and belittle other brethren just to make yourself look good. You have proven to be someone who will use deception as a tactic to prove a point. I'm surprised to see that you just try to laugh it off; but that just proves to everyone what you really are: A Big Joke. Many people come this board looking for answers to questions they really need help with, but you have turned it around into your own personal show. You should be ashamed of yourself!! Sadly for you, your reputation has now been tarnished. I hope this teaches you a lesson, and I look forward to seeing a change in you.
Re: Proving Our Point: prince Bowers - 4/17/2007 5:01:19 AMBro Ellis WAKE UP! What can seperate me from the love of God? Shall you or bro Ivan or moderator? If i did not make that Joke I will not truely know your hearts. Do you not think that the church has bigger things to worry about? Lets face it. THERE HAS BEEN NO PROGRESS IN THE CHURCH FOR OVER 40yrs. This is more worring to me. Your Job is to answers questions. Does not matter who. Just shows me how wick you guys really are and how you mislead many. I exposed it. This excercise has tought me the extent that you all would go to avoid defeat. Today its web master's IP. Tomorrow is the Police CIA etc.
Re: Proving Our Point: Shamaira - 4/15/2007 9:51:51 PMModerator, what you present is quite interesting because Rita states she does not know Mr. Bowers, as you can see in this excerpt from a previous post:
"Pastor, I thankyou for your answers. However, I am still confused. I am not aware that Mr. Bowers has a vendetta against your doctrine. I don't know him. All being said, I have read some of his posting and he seem quite interesting."
Hmmm..... It seems that Rita and Mr. Bowers are not who they presented themselves to be.
Vain teaching:
G.Dang - 5/5/2007 10:05:23 PM
Dear Bro and sisters who read and write on message board I be search ye beware fore your self let no man led you away from truth by the vain teaching of those who are unrepentant members, please read this two scripture Act 20-27-31 Galatians 1-6-9.
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