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Can sinners preach to sinners?:
Pastor Faith - 7/25/2010 7:48:04 AM
Bro. Ellis, I cannot fault you for trying hard; but then again; you keep throwing yourself under the bus. The bible is very consistent. You quoted it yourself from Matt.12:8>“Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath” & Mark 2:27> “The Sabbath was made for man & not man for the Sabbath. If man was made for the sabbath, then SAINT of God would be compelled to keep it. Because Saints are of men also. Let me explain! Part 1of 6
Re: Can sinners preach to sinners?: Pastor Faith - 7/25/2010 7:53:01 AM Part 2> Can sinners preach to sinners? Or can Satan cast out Satan? >How can we preach to the World if we too are under the same Laws which are made for unrighteous men? According to 1Tim1:9> When a Man or Woman accepts Christ and have received the gift of the Holy Spirit, he/she is placed into a new Category Call “SAINTS”; No longer a literal Man or Woman.> 2Cor.5:17 confirms: “if any man be in Christ he is a NEW CREATURE> in other words a (SAINT) /Hence Jesus is correct the Sabbath or Law was NOT made for SAINT; but for sinful Man. In other words, a SAINT is A Man; but not all men are Saints> So the Sabbath was not man for reform men (SAINTs) but for sinful MAN.
Re: Can sinners preach to sinners?: Pastor Faith - 7/25/2010 7:51:58 AM Part 3> Now if Christ is Lord of the Sabbath then so are we: see Col.3:3 said “our lives are hid with Christ in God;” which makes us Lord of the Sabbath also. That’s why Romans 8:1 makes perfect sense “No condemnation to them in Christ Jesus; Because SAINTS do not walk after the Flesh, but by the Sprit. MEN walk after the Flesh> Hence Paul urges us in Gal.5.1 to “stand fast in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled AGAIN with the yoke of bondage.
Re: Can sinners preach to sinners?: Pastor Faith - 7/25/2010 7:51:04 AM Part 4> You are correct! As you quoted in Romans 3:10> All have sinned! I agree, both Jew and Gentile; which makes perfect sense! So If Jews with Law are placed in the SAME sinner Category, why should we live by that same Law? Hence, a SAINT is nether Jew, Gentle, Man, or Woman; but one who have been redeemed by Christ> see Gal.3:27 “For as many of you as have been baptized into CHRIST have put on Christ.
Re: Can sinners preach to sinners?: Pastor Faith - 7/25/2010 7:50:13 AM Part 5>That exactly why Isaiah 66 makes perfect sense ALL FLESH must refer to physical Man. Even Now as Saints being in Christ we are free from the Law and 1John 5:18 Confirms that> “whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin” So if we are Changed from Mortal to immortality at the coming of our Lord, we are NOT subject to Flesh and blood. We will be transformed in Sprit born of God sinless.
Re: Can sinners preach to sinners?: Pastor Faith - 7/25/2010 7:49:22 AM Part6>I hope my submission help to rest all that confusion which has created so much stormy weather in our Churches over all those years. The Gospel is based on Christ; the Law which gives SAINTS Liberty. Finally Jesus said in Matt. 12:28-29 > It takes a Strong man to enter into a Strong Man’s House to bind him up and take his goods. I Know my post have done just that today> Bind up COG7th day, Assembles of Yahweh, and all other law followers> Time to be a SAINT put on Christ and Walk in the Sprit. NOT FLESH .God bless you all.
Re: Can sinners preach to sinners?: Ellis - 7/27/2010 11:29:14 PM Pastor Faith, I’m not sure where to begin, as I’m almost speechless at your response. To say that “We are also Lord of the Sabbath” is a very dangerous statement to make. Please don’t confuse who Christ is and who we are. He sits on the right hand of the Father to make intercession for us. We are in no way his equal. As long as we live here on earth in our physical bodies, we are all susceptible to sin. (1 Jn 2:1) Until we are changed from mortal to immortality then the flesh will always fight against the spirit (Gal 5:17). I see you quoted 1 Jn. 5:18, but left out vs. 2 & 3: “By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.” BTW, didn’t God rest the Sabbath day? Didn’t Christ also here on earth? Yet both were/are without sin? Let’s be careful not to push our own understanding as truth, so others be led astray. God Bless…
Re: Can sinners preach to sinners?: Pastor Faith - 7/28/2010 7:42:04 PM Bro. Ellis No! I am the one who is shocked! Because you are not aware that right now we as Saints are sitting in heavenly places with Christ> Col.3:3 & Ephesians2:6 confirms> “And hath raised us up together, and made us sit in heavenly places in Christ.” Now! I can take your challenge up further! Didn’t Christ keep all feast days? >New moons & Sabbaths? >Didn’t he circumcise? Why are you being selective of laws? Further still; you are so hung up on the 10 commandment; does it say; do not eat unclean meats, or do not commit fornication? Or do not be Gay or lesbian? Or even greater; does it teach us to forgive our brother/sister seventy times seven? Or turn the other cheek? Or to love our enemies? Part 1 of 2
Re: Can sinners preach to sinners?: Pastor Faith - 7/28/2010 7:41:08 PM Part 2: It never ceases to amaze me; anytime a member of the COG7th day sees the word Commandments in the scriptures he/she automatically says it means the 10 wow! 1John 5:2&3 specifically speaks about the command of LOVE which is a Spirtual gift and is in line with John 13:34; 1John 2:7&8, 2John 1:5 verified in >Gal.5:14 and for further verification see what the fruits of the Sprits are: Gal.5:22> Brother Ellis, I am positive> I am not the one who is confused here; The Church is heading in the wrong direction! To be under the Law is to be under a curse! Gal: 3:10; SAINT in Christ are Free! The question is, have you received the Holy Spirit since you believe? God bless
Re: Can sinners preach to sinners?: Ellis - 7/29/2010 5:53:54 PM I can see that you are very passionate about what you believe, but please be careful of bashing others because of the doctrine that you keep. In case you haven't noticed for the past few years, that this is a Church of God 7th day website, and we will only teach what we believe to be the true doctrine.
Re: Can sinners preach to sinners?: Ellis - 7/29/2010 6:18:55 PM I must caution you to be careful of the words you speak and write as these may turn off others from hearing your point of view on various subjects. Your comments are sometimes offensive and distasteful. It’s OK to post your opinion, but please do so without proclaiming negativity towards the COG 7th day and other assemblies that don’t share your same beliefs. I’m pretty sure you will respond to this message in order to get the last word. But this will be my last post to you on this matter. Col. 4:6 Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man. God Bless…
Re: Can sinners preach to sinners?: Pastor Faith - 7/30/2010 9:17:36 AM Bro Ellis, I am sorry that my post may have caused any offence to you or any others concerned: I can assure you this was NOT intentional. PLEASE forgive me I pray thee. I will bear your tips in mind. I guess if I was a Roman Catholic I may have had to say “10 hail marries and 20 our fathers” for causing such offence. But thank God we both share common ground between us. It would be sad if you too like Bro. Bertie decides to reframe from sharing your views on the site: Anyway, I leave you with the comforting words of Gen. 13:8> God bless
The Sabbath Obligation: A bridge too far!:
Pastor Faith - 7/12/2010 5:36:19 PM
It is so sad to see the authority of COG 7thday; still preach & teach an obligation to keep the 7th day Sabbath. But even greater, why do we use scriptures like Matt 4:4 to justify our theology? Wasn’t It God who said to Circumcise? Or “An eye for an eye;” or “Keep all the feast or holy days?> I will never condemn any worshiper who feels obligated to keep the Sabbath; but to make it an obligation on the followers of Jesus Christ, is a bridge too far.
Re: The Sabbath Obligation: A bridge too far!: Pastor Faith - 7/12/2010 5:37:55 PM Part 2: Firstly, there are no scriptures in the Gospel which command us to keep the Sabbath day or even pay tithes. Instead we are to give freely. Christ said in Matt: 28:20 “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. “ Moreover, the 7th day Sabbath was symbolic. It represented Christ our redeemer who would come to give us rest. A peace that passes all understanding: And today, that is the rest that we as Christians have: Not a Day; but a belief knowing that whatever situation we are going through, we have rest in or lord.
Re: The Sabbath Obligation: A bridge too far!: Pastor Faith - 7/12/2010 5:39:06 PM Paul made it abundantly clear in Rom.8:1 No condemnation to them in Christ Jesus. Vere2; “the Law of the Sprit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the Law of sin and death”. Why then should we revert back to the Law of sin and death? Brethren! Please understand; that salvation is only by grace through faith in Christ Jesus Eph: 2:8>>note! It is a gift: Not by our works that any man should boast. Our salvation is because of a man; not because of a day. Gal: 4:10 “He observe days and months and times and years, Verse2, I am afraid he labour in vain” God bless you all, Keep the faith.
Re: The Sabbath Obligation: A bridge too far!: Ellis - 7/16/2010 11:21:14 PM Greetings to all in the name of our Lord Jesus. Pastor Faith, the COG 7th day and many others around the world believe the Sabbath should be kept for many reasons, but here are a few:
1. IT WAS COMMANDED BY GOD HIMSELF (Ex. 31:16)
2. It is part of the 10 commandment law, which still applies to all God's children today. (Ex. 20:1-17).
3. The Sabbath was sanctified by God. (Gen. 2:1-3)
4. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Matt. 12:8)
5. The Sabbath was made for man. (Mark 2:27)
6. The Sabbath will continue to be kept when Christ returns (Is. 66:15-23)
7. Christ's followers rested the Sabbath according to the Commandment (Luke 23:56)
8. Predicting future destruction (and tribulation), Jesus said to pray that we wont have to flee on the Sabbath (Matt. 24: 20)
A young man came to Jesus at one time and asked what must he do to be saved. Christ's response? "keep the commandments". Jesus clearly notes he was referring to the 10 commandments (See Matt. 19:16-22). God Bless!
Re: The Sabbath Obligation: A bridge too far!: Pastor Faith - 7/19/2010 4:58:02 AM Bro. Ellis, I welcome your response: However, I do believe that for many years we have misrepresented the gospel; which has nothing to do with the 10comandments or any other laws given to Moses; Eph. 2:15 confirms. But rather, our salvation is based on grace through faith in Christ Jesus Eph 2:8>>who has given us the Law of the Sprit Romans 8:2 which teaches us all truth John 14:26 Part 1 of 5
Re: The Sabbath Obligation: A bridge too far!: Ellis - 7/21/2010 6:45:42 PM Pastor Faith, it seems that one mistake you are making is lumping all the “Law” into one bucket. We must understand first that there is more than one type of law given by God. The 10 commandments existed before they were given on Mt. Sinai; the laws of Moses came into existence on Mt. Sinai. Any verse with the word “Law” must be applied in the proper context. Mat 5:17 “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.” But, what law was he talking about? If you read from vs. 18-48, he was referring to the 10 commandments. Eph 2:8 is misquoted by many. It’s not saying that salvation is based on grace. Salvation was GIVEN by God’s grace. In other words, we did nothing to deserve it. Salvation was given thru his Son because he loved us. See Eph 2:4-9. In Romans 8:2, it seems you are confusing the “law of the Spirit” with the Holy Spirit. Both are different. It is the Holy Spirit that will guide you to all truth. Jn 16:13
Re: The Sabbath Obligation: A bridge too far!: Pastor Faith - 7/19/2010 4:56:49 AM Part 2>>I have no doubt that the Sabbath was sanctified by God and was made for man as you rightly quoted [Gen.2:1-3 & Mark 2:27>>However, in relation to the Gospel teaching, Christ has demonstrated that he was the rest spoken of >>Matt.11:28, Heb.4:3>> similar to physical circumcision; all symbolic. That’s why the apostle Paul can stand on the platform to make the statement in Col.2:16>> Jesus made it clear in John 4:23 & 24 the hour has come when true worshippers will worship him any time any place anywhere.
Re: The Sabbath Obligation: A bridge too far!: Ellis - 7/21/2010 6:46:30 PM Let’s clarify a couple of scriptures that you mentioned. Jn 4:23 does not mention “any time any place anywhere.” Matt. 11:28 was being quoted by Jesus, but this wasn’t the first time this statement was made. See Jer. 6:16. Also, Heb. 3:7-4:13 was quoted from Psalms 95. These verses exposed the hardness of Israel’s heart in wilderness. Their punishment? Not being able to enter in God’s rest. This Rest (time of peace and righteous rulership) was promised since old testament times, but has nothing to do with taking the place of the Sabbath day. Again, Col. 2:16 does not refer to the 10 commandments, it was in reference to the handwritten ordinances (see Col 2:14-17) not the 10 commandment Law. These referred to the Feast days and sacrifices which are no longer necessary to be kept since Christ came. (Compare Col. 2:14-17 with Ez. 45:17-25) Also see Heb. 9:1-10. FYI… the Commandments are never referred to as ordinances.
Re: The Sabbath Obligation: A bridge too far!: Pastor Faith - 7/19/2010 4:55:37 AM Part 3>>Members of the COG7th day have to decide who they really are> Scriptures like Matt4:4 make our ministry un-effective, confusing and throws the gospel into disrepute: because to adopt a literal rule would mean that we must keep every Law of the Old Testament. How can that be? When Paul explains that the Law was made for sinners and not for Righteous men 1Tim.1:9>> that would make Christ coming of no effect. It is Christ who have declared us righteous and washed us in his blood. Not because we keep days or months or years; but because we believe by faith.
Re: The Sabbath Obligation: A bridge too far!: Ellis - 7/21/2010 6:47:18 PM I Tim.1:9 - You are correct; the Law was made for sinners, not the righteous but remember what Paul said in Romans 3:10 (referring to all; Jews & Gentiles) “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:”. Also, vs. 23: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God”. Because we are all saved when we accept Jesus as our Savior, it does not annul the law. It still exists! Also, don’t forget I Tim. 1:8: “But we know that the law is good, if man use it lawfully. See Rom. 7:9.
Re: The Sabbath Obligation: A bridge too far!: Pastor Faith - 7/19/2010 4:54:25 AM Part 4>>>In Mark 12:25 Jesus explains that we shall be like the angels of heaven at the time of our resurrection. In 1Cor.15:50 Paul explained that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom> these are Great points! You quoted from Isaiah 66 implying that the Law & Sabbath will be kept in the future; but will it be for us? How can that be? When in Isaiah 66:15-23 the bible clearly stated “SHALL ALL FLESH” come to worship me.” The question is: will we be Flesh &blood then? Not according to Mark 12:15 and 1Cor.15:50>> that confirms God cannot lie. Isaiah is correct; he is in line with the Gospel.
Re: The Sabbath Obligation: A bridge too far!: Pastor Faith - 7/19/2010 4:51:05 AM Part 5>>The people left at the coming of Christ who did not accept his Grace and gift of salvation freely as cited in John 3:16> will be reverted back to the Law during the 1000years. To be under the law is to be under a curse see Gal.3:10-14> These are the people the literal Law was made for according to 1Tim.1:9> they will be forced to come up from year to year according to Zechariah 14> these are of Flesh and blood (men) Keep the faith God bless.
Re: The Sabbath Obligation: A bridge too far!: Ellis - 7/21/2010 6:48:52 PM Good point, as ALL FLESH could be referring to FLESH and BLOOD. In Isaiah however, all flesh simply means everyone. Anyway you slice it, the Sabbath will continue be kept when our Savior returns as we are keeping it faithfully today. My posts are in no way intended to be a debate with you on If the Sabbath should be kept. I’m merely pointing out why we Keep the Sabbath law and the commandments. Remember if there is no law, then there is no sin, for Sin is the transgression of the law (I Jn 3:4) I’ll leave you with the words of the Master: “Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” Matt 5:19. God bless!
FEASTS OF THE LORD:
kiprono rotich - 3/8/2010 11:04:27 AM
Are the feast of old testament binding on christians of new testament?
this is one of the contantious issue in the church, should it make us stay apart? can someone teach me on this
Re: FEASTS OF THE LORD: anonymous - 6/30/2010 7:01:07 AM I much rather have the Feasts of the Old Testament binding on us Christians of the New Testament, instead of Sharia Law forced on us by Pres. Obama. We better, keep in touch with the news because, the majority of us voted in a Shiite Moslem, thats pro-Sharia Law without prayer and research.
From my research the I google the word PENTECOST is the Greek word is the same as the Hebrew word SHAVUOT, was celebrated in the Upper Room by the Apostles. There alot of Greek and Hebrew terminologies our church leaders should research further. Realize, JESUS and the Apostles spoke also Hebrew. No New Testament existed during those days. And we must remove the Roman Catholic Church teachings that crept into our churches.
Re: FEASTS OF THE LORD: Pastor Faith - 6/30/2010 9:18:23 PM Anonymous, I think you should take your political campaign away from this board.
Know that! We are in the world; but not of it. The end time must come. It is God who setup kings and put down kings. All we have to do is to keep serving him faithfully. God bless.
Re: FEASTS OF THE LORD: anonymous - 7/1/2010 1:00:30 AM Pastor Faith, it was pastors/other ministers on this board, that made it a political campaign for Obama. Why you said nothing about 2 years ago. I am not involved with American politics. I am just warning those among us still disconnected from GOD of what they caused. Yes, GOD sometimes put wicked rulers in for us to wake up from our slumber. Admit the truth Pastor Faith, this is no joking matter, what is going on against real Christians, in America. We of the Church of GOD 7th Day, suppose to be on the frontlines on every issue. Yet, we are non-chalant like the 5 Foolish Virgins. Since, you are one of the pastors please, keep us informed of the LAMB-LIKE-BEAST THAT SPEAKS LIKE A DRAGON. GOD BLESS YOU WITH STRENGTH TO KEEP US INFORMED.
Re: FEASTS OF THE LORD: Pastor Faith - 7/1/2010 7:07:14 AM Anonymous, Please let not your heart be troubled, I see nothing wrong in voting for Obama; We live in a democratic- World; where we give to Caesar the things that are his and to God the things which are his. I appreciate your enthusiasm for the gospel; however, in the past many people, including some of our brethren have been caught out making false predictions and have embarrassed themselves; In their attempt to assume who or what is the beast. I welcome any open discussions; if you can bring you body of evidence forward based on biblical research, and in a coherent manner: But so far, your assertion seems pretty feeble. Mean while, let us all keep watching and praying. God bless!
Re: FEASTS OF THE LORD: anonymous - 7/1/2010 8:15:13 PM Yes, the heart of my mind is troubled seeing our pastors disconnected. The news are with many clues for COG-7th Day members that remain connected to GOD. Henry Kissenger said, on live news interviews which can also be found on You Tube, Kissinger: Obama primed to create 'New World Order'
Policy guru says global upheaval presents 'great opportunity'. Henry Kissinger said clues more than one time, "He is groomed to usher in the New World Order." It can be also found on World Net Daily with these included ( ?pageId=85442 ). You got it programmed not to accept links, which are problems. Also, search on You Tube, Henry Kissinger (HQ) Obama and The New World Order 1/5/09 and the video will come up. Again its impossible to post links here.
Re: FEASTS OF THE LORD: anonymous - 7/1/2010 8:23:05 PM Pastor Faith, to explain myself further, I am what you refer to as a 'white person' without a color problem. I just do not support anyone with a wicked character.
Re: FEASTS OF THE LORD: anonymous - 7/1/2010 8:02:28 AM Pastor Faith, one of the pastors used this excuse,"I voted for Pres. Obama, because he is the first Black President. " Yes, he is the 1st Black president in the 21st Century but, not the 1st in American History. President Obama had 7 before him as mentioned on You Tube, The Secret of America's Black Presidents. And if doing another search Black historian Bakhufu, adds President Eisenhower as the 6th Black President. And I myself at 70 now, remembers Pres. Carter acknowledging himself as 'colored'. Again, one should judge nor vote for one for skin color. Why? That shows how backwards we are not knowing people of color are milky-white to darker than dark chocolate. Now, that President Obama, showing his true character before us are we following Christ or following him. It seems Pastor Faith if Jesus was here today we would crucify him. And follow Obama anywhere without questioning him as we now. Would our church convert to a Shiite Moslems to remain an Obama Followers?
Re: FEASTS OF THE LORD: anonymous - 7/3/2010 1:04:11 AM Choosing healthy foods Now nalled a mental disorder. (This entire article is found on Natural News dot com site.) "But why, you ask, would they attack healthy eaters? People like Dr. Gabriel Cousens can tell you why: Because increased mental and spiritual awareness is only possible while on a diet of living, natural foods.
Eating junk foods keeps you dumbed down and easy to control, you see. It literally messes with your mind, numbing your senses with MSG, aspartame and yeast extract. People who subsist on junk foods are docile and quickly lose the ability to think for themselves. They go along with whatever they're told by the TV or those in apparent positions of authority, never questioning their actions or what's really happening in the world around them."
Suggestion: Maybe our pastors need to get away from junk foods? And our church must improve our eating habits. I at 70, do not eat junk foods. Its why I still questioning anyone actions and what is going on around me.
Re: FEASTS OF THE LORD: Pastor Faith - 5/18/2010 7:47:22 PM Greetings Bro./Sister: The simple answer is No! The feast of the Old testament are Not binding on Christians. Firstly, Jesus said in Matthew 28:20 "Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: Note! Only as he commanded Not as Moses Commanded. Next Paul quoted in Galatians 2:18"For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor." Hence christians born of Christ, matters of the Law have no power over them. They are continually guided by the Holy sprit daily. This is my understanding: God bless You.
Should Christians accept Islamic Sharia Law?:
anonymous - 6/30/2010 6:42:20 AM
First one must decide what are we Christians or Moslems? Do we in the church believe in implementing laws by force? If so voting for Pres. Obama you did the right thing for yourself, but, not for me. White House welcomes Shariah finance specialist Obama selects Muslim expert in Islamic transactions as fellow.
Samar Ali of Waverly, Tenn., is the first name appearing on the White House list. She is an associate with the law firm Hogan Lovells – a firm that claims to have advised on more than 200 Islamic finance transactions with an aggregate deal value in excess of $40 billion.
Pres. Obama is pro-Sharia law because he campaigned for his cousin Raila Odinga in Kenya. We got ministers, in our churches that are disconnected from GOD. Why? because they voted for President Obama without prayer/research. And now we Christians are going to suffer because of this. Pres. Obama a Shiite Moslem takes his orders from the Ayatollah. Are we JESUS FOLLOWERS or Obama's Followers?
Bill Allows Obama Power to Shut Down Internet:
anonymous - 6/29/2010 10:36:13 AM
Search the internet for this article on Toms Hardware site, for this link.
When this happens what are our ministries going to do? Realize, among us a ministers not spirit led by GOD, voted for Obama. They are members of the Secret Societies and part of the havoc caused by Obama's administration.
Forty-Five years a generation?:
Gatluak Deng - 1/31/2010 10:37:23 AM
refering to bible lesson dated 28 November 2009. To say a generation is forty five years is and can not be correct. I will come back with biblical explaination.
endure to the end.
Re: Forty-Five years a generation?: Gatluak Deng - 3/21/2010 1:51:52 PM Reading from Lesson study of 28 November 2009, I some what disagree with the writer specially the comments he made in no 9 and no 10 that:
1. A generation is forty five years.
2. The last generation starts in 1989 at the fall of the Berlin wall.
Before I tart refuting his points let see what some of the Dictionary meanings are for the word generation.
a) The entire body of individuals born and living at about the same time.
b) A single step in natural descent, as of human beings
Now to begin with, referring to Matthew 1:17 when it said” All the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Messiah are fourteen generations.” The apostle was referring to individual persons which verse one to verse sixteen of the same chapter confirms. This means each person stands for a generation. In order to know how long it takes for that generation to pass a
Re: Forty-Five years a generation?: Gatluak Deng - 3/21/2010 1:53:47 PM way, it defends on the life span of that individual. Taking a group of individuals born at about the same time here into consideration However, when he was asked by his disciples about the signs of his coming and of the end of the world(Mtt 24:3), Yahshua gave explanation of a number of things that shall take place before he returns. Summing up his explanation, he said. “Behold the fig tree and all the trees; when they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these thing s come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Verily I say unto you, this generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.”(Luke 21:29-32). The preacher said “one generation passes away, and another generation cometh; but the earth abideth forever (Eccl 1:4) By saying this generation shall not pass away till all be fulfilled, yahshua mean to say the people witnessing the happening of the signs he foretold will not finish
Re: Forty-Five years a generation?: Gatluak Deng - 3/21/2010 1:55:56 PM (all died) till the kingdom arrives. And it does not take only forty five years for a person to die rather here is what the scripture say:”My spirit shall not always strive with man for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an HUNDRED and TWENTY years. (Gen 6:3). And he said unto Abram, know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them and; and they shall afflict them FOUR HUNDRED years…But in the FOURTH generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorite is not yet full. (Gen 15:13-15). Now the sojourning of the children of Israel, who dwell in Egypt, was FOUR HUNDRED and THIRTY years. And it came to pass at the end of the four hundred and thirty years, even the selfsame day it came to pass, that all the hosts of ISRAEL….went out of the land of Egypt (Exodus 12:40-41) From the aforementioned scriptures one can conclude that a generation of people take more then hundred years before they extinct and not jus
Re: Forty-Five years a generation?: Gatluak Deng - 3/21/2010 2:00:37 PM t forty-five years. The fall of the Berlin wall can not be taken as the beginning of the last generation since Jews start returning home before that period. However I do agree with the brother who prepares this lesson that we are exactly living in the generation that lives to see messiah returning in glory b/c all the omens of his coming are here;but I am not sure when it began.
When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?::
Pastor Faith - 12/12/2009 7:35:26 PM
I am absolutely surprised that No one challenges Bro. Gatluak with such miss leading findings. It is obvious that not enough of our brethren are able to critically analyse scriptures. With reference to the previous topic [Dan.9 prophecy,] I asked the following questions, which has never been answered: (1) Since Christ died; can we say it’s the end of sin? Or (2) Everlasting Righteousness? In the context which Daniel saw it? YES and NO is the answer. 1 of 4 parts
Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?:: Pastor Faith - 12/12/2009 7:39:19 PM Part 2: YES! Only to those who believe by Faith; which means, Christ has become our righteousness; to all who believes. And If Christ is Righteous so are we If we believe in him by faith. NO! Because this World is still heavily in sin and Daniel saw a World free of sin, and everlasting righteousness. So what we are really experiencing is work in progress.
Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?:: Gatluak Deng - 12/14/2009 2:14:45 PM There is nothing call “YES and NO”. This show exactly how you are in dilemma of which answer is yours. As for your question” which you reiterated: Since messiah’s death; should we say he brought in EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS and an END TO SINS? My answer. YES. How?..Since the establishment of Levitical priest hood, sins were never forgiven but only covered. Although a high priest enter every year to the most holy place with sacrifice for his own sin and the sin of his people(Israel); there had been always remembrance of sins for it was NOT Possible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins because in those sacrifices there is REMEMBRANCE AGAIN MADE OF SINS EVERY YEAR (Hebrew 10:1-3) Daniel was confessing those sins and iniquities of Israel (Daniel 9:20) But this man(Yahshua), after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat on the right hand of God….For by one offering he hath PERFECTED FOREVER them that are sanctified.(Hebrew 10:12) Hence he brought in an everlasting
Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?:: Gatluak Deng - 12/14/2009 2:18:30 PM righteousness an end to sins which the blood of the bulls and goats could not do. It is harmonious to say he “CAUSED THE SACRIFICES AND THE OBLATIONS TO CEASE. For having perfected them forever by his sacrifice, there is no need for that useless practice which could not make unto perfection the comer to continue (Daniel 9:27) because in referring to this Covenant which yahshua made with many (Daniel 9:27) our father said “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my Laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And THEIR SINS AND INIQUITIES WILL I REMEMBER NO MORE. (Hebrew 10: 16-17) As for period of General righteousness and the end of Lawlessness through out the world which you kept on bringing up, it was never been the Issue for Daniel in this chapter( 9:1-27) but DANIEL WAS CONCERN IN PARTICULAR WITH THE SIN OF HIS PEOPLE. I don’t see why you can not understand this.
Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?:: Pastor Faith - 12/17/2009 10:48:42 AM Bro Gatluak, Your continuous explanation confirms why our churches cannot grow. It is much too subjective; rather than being more objective. I know Paul would never let me down: quote “For by one offering he hath perfected forever them THEM THAT ARE SANTIFIED.(Hebrew 10:12) “ Please take time to look at the language. Which is exactly what John 3:16 says: Whosoever believes. So I am fully correct. Yes! If you are a believer, Jew or Gentile, Christ has taken your sins away once and for all. You have obtained everlasting righteousness by grace through faith. Eph 2:8 >>>>1of 2 parts
Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?:: Pastor Faith - 12/17/2009 10:46:57 AM Part 2:> Its funny how Daniel was concerned about the sins of his people; when his people rejected Christ. You see, Daniel was looking at the smaller picture. God was looking at the broader picture. Today, his people are whosoever who believeth in him. Exactly as Paul explained” THEM THAT ARE SANTIFIED.” It may have started with the Jews, but his aim was always to include all of man-kind. That is the intented purpose; to create a complete World free of sin. So the work has began; but its not fully completed. If you guys try to contain your arrogance and pay attention; then may be the Church will start to grow. God bless.
Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?:: Pastor Faith - 12/12/2009 7:38:10 PM Part 3: A similar scenario can be used regarding the current Topic: When will heavenly Jerusalem descend? If we examine the scriptures, we will accept that once Christ ruler -ship is set up on Earth at his second coming, then yes; the authority will be of Heaven. But it remains clear in the Scriptures that The New Heaven & New Earth & New Jerusalem does not accrue Not till 1000years is over: Because of unfinished business still due.
Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?:: Pastor Faith - 12/12/2009 7:36:38 PM Part: 4 During the 1000years many people will get to know the Lord and accept his ways. The Gospel must be preached into the entire World before the End comes. Bro. Gatluak, I am afraid, 2Peter 3:10 is not talking about the second coming of Christ. No! He is talking about the appearance of God the Father at the End. Please think about this quote; “The elements shall be melted with fervent heat.” If the Earth is all burnt up and melted up; at Christ’s second coming, How would earthly man survive ? Your explanation makes it Impossible for the many Prophecies spoken of by prophets like Isaiah, Zachariah& Jeremiah regarding Earthly man’s state during the 1000years to be fulfilled. Sorry! Bro. Gatluak; You’ve got it wrong again! God bless
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Gatluak Deng - 11/29/2009 4:06:51 AM
Some say it will come down after 1000 years others say it will come at the beginning of 1000 years and they all claim Revelation 21:1-3 as the prove for their claim.What does the scripture really say?
And I saw new heaven and new earth for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was NO MORE SEA. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.(Revelation 21:1-2).
It is clear from the above scripture that before Jerusalem descent, the first heaven and the first earth have to pass away and the new heaven and the new earth appears. It is then comes New Jerusalem. The question is; at what condition is the present earth and heaven and when will they pass away?
-But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word, are kept in store, reserved unto fire against THE DAY OF JUDGMENT and perdition of ungodly men. (2peter 3:7) How did Yahshua relate the Day of Judgement and the fire?.
Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?: Gatluak Deng - 11/29/2009 4:08:09 AM ?..Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorha in the day of judgement than for that city. (Mat 10:15)…the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained FIRE and BRIMSTONE from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be IN THE DAY when the son of man is REVEALED. (Luke 17:29-30)
How will this Day of Judgment come and how will it affect the present heavens and earth?
-But the day of the lord will come AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT, in the which the HEAVENS SHALL PASS AWAY with great noise and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, THE EARTH also and the works therein shall BURNED UP.(peter 3:10)
Note: the Day of the Lord coming like a thief in the night is the very day we are now waiting for, the second coming of Messiah. This is the beginning of millennium. And this is when the first heavens and the first earth passed away. How was it seen by John?
Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?: Gatluak Deng - 11/29/2009 4:08:56 AM -and lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair; and the moon became blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven DEPARTED as A SCROLL when it is rolled together; and EVERY MOUNTAIN and ISLAND were MOVED out of their places. And the kings of the earth and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and the rocks, Fall on us, and HIDE US FROM THE FACE OF HIM THAT SITTETH ON THE THRONE, AND FROM THE WRATH OF THE LAMB. For the GREAT DAY of his WRATH is come; and who shall be able to stand? (Revelation 6:12-17) …And they shall go INTO the holes of the rocks and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the Lord and for the GLORY of his MAJESTY, when he arises to SHAKE TERRIBLY THE EARTH (Isaiah
Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?: Gatluak Deng - 11/29/2009 4:14:41 AM 2:17-22)–I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will DESTROY and DEVOUR AT ONCE. I will make WASTE MOUNTAINS and HILLS, and dry up their herbs; and I will make the RIVERS ISLANDS, and I will DRY UP THE POOLS. (Isaiah 42:13-15) ...For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, SURELY IN THAT DAY there shall be GREAT SHAKING in the land of is Israel; So that the fishes of the sea and the fowls of the heaven and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the MOUNTAINS shall be THROWN DOWN, and ALL THE STEEP PLACES SHALL FALL, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL TO THE GROUND ……And I will plead with him(Gog) with pestilences and with blood and will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the people that are with him an OVERFLOWING RAIN, and GREAT HAILSTONES, FIRE, AND BRIMSTONE.(Ezekiel
Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?: Gatluak Deng - 11/29/2009 4:16:49 AM 38:18-23)….For the windows from on high are open and the FOUNDATIONS of the EARTH do SHAKE. The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is MOVED EXCEEDINGLY. The earth shall REEL TO AND FRO LIKE A DRUNKARD,….Then the MOON shall be CONFOUNDED, the SUN ASHAMED, when the Lord of hosts SHALL REIGN IN MOUNTAIN ZION AND IN JERUSALEM AND BEFORE HIS ANCIENTS GLORIOUSLY(Isaiah 24:18-23) How did Yahshua confirm this?-Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall THE SUN BE DARKENED AND THE MOON SHALL NOT GIVE HER LIGHT, AND THE STARS SHALL FALL FROM HEAVEN, AND THE POWERS OF HEAVEN SHALL BE SHAKEN: And then shall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven: and then shall ALL THE TRIBES OF THE EARTH MOURN, AND THEY SHALL SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY.(Matthew24:29-31) … he hath PROMISED , saying, yet once more I SHAKE NOT THE EARTH ONLY, BUT ALSO THE HEAVEN. And this word. YET ONCE MORE, signifieth the REMOVING
Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?: Gatluak Deng - 11/29/2009 4:16:26 AM of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that THOSE THINGS WHICH CANNOT BE SHAKEN MAY REMAIN. (Hebrew 12:26-27). It is clear now that what REMAINS of this heaven and this earth after that day is what will be calls NEW HEAVEN and NEW EARTH. After the stars are totally removed and burn, the heaven will have a different look. While on earth instead of the sea new lands will emerge and many mountains will be thrown down; New Rivers will be formed including the river of life from under ground Mountain Olives (eastern Jerusalem Zechariah 14:1-9 Joel 3:18 Isaiah 30:25). In fact you will not need our current Geographical map to find your way around if lucky to be alive after that day, for it will be a different earth completely. Immediately after the foundation is laid then comes down Jerusalem. As soon as it arrives, what will be say regarding all the present sufferings on the present earth and present heaven?-Behold the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell wi
Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?: Gatluak Deng - 11/29/2009 4:16:00 AM with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for THE FORMER THINGS ARE PASS AWAY…behold I make all things NEW. (Revelation 21:3-4)….For be hold I create new heaven and new earth (Isaiah 65:17-25) Indeed this is where in dwells righteousness for the kingdom is of messiah and the saints.
And just before his wrath comes, at what condition will all nations be?
…And the nations were ANGRY, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest GIVE REWARD UNTO THY SERVANTS THE PROPHETS, AND TO THE SAINTS (Revelation 11:15-18)…The earthen RAGED, the kingdoms were moved: he UTTER HIS VOICE and the earth melted (Psalm 46:6-10)….The Lord also shall ROAR out of ZION and UTTER HIS VOICE from Jerusalem; and the HEAVEN and EARTH shall SHAKE but Yahweh wi
Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?: Gatluak Deng - 11/29/2009 4:26:18 AM will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel( the Nation ISRAEL of our time Joel 3:15-16). Are we not seeing this happening before our very own eyes? How many nations in the General Assembly are condemning (angry) Israel today? We are just few miles away before all of them say; enough of State of Israel. For when they shall say “Peace and Safety” you know what happens (1thessalonica 5:1-3) But the wicked shall do wickedly and NON of the wicked shall understand but the wise shall understand (Daniel 12:10)
How will yahshua deal with the remnant of these nations after that day?
He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries (psalm 110:6, 2:8-12, Revelation 19:15, 2:26-27).....and he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations a far off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation; ne
Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?: Gatluak Deng - 11/29/2009 4:29:15 AM neither shall they learn war any more. But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree (Micah 4:3-4)… It shall be said in that day. Come behold the works of the Lord what desolations he hath made in the earth. He maketh wars to CEASE UNTO THE END OF THE EARTH; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burns the chariot in the fire. BE STILL and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth (Psalm 46:6-10)…. The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together: And a little child shall lead them……and the lion shall eat straw like ox (Isaiah 11:1-9)
. The reason why all this destruction will happen to all people is plain and clear…..Because they have transgress the LAWS, CHANGED THE ORDINANCE, BROKEN THE EVERLASTING COVENANT (Isaiah 24:5)…wherefore the children of Israel shall keep THE SABBATH , to observe the Sabbath throu
Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?: Gatluak Deng - 11/29/2009 4:30:42 AM throughout their generations, for a PERPETUAL COVENANT. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel FOREVER …. (Exodus 31:16-17) The day of our master is a combination of Rain and hail stones, earth and heaven quake, fire and brimstone…. terrible indeed; with stars burning on their way to wards earth and who shall bear it? Hasting for it surely is not a good idea for those who do not seek him diligently. For EL-Shadai is a consuming Fire and who shall abide the day of his coming? And who shall stand when he appears? For every battle of the warrior is with confuse noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with BURNING and a FUEL of FIRE (Isaiah 9:5-7)…
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Ellis - 11/6/2009 9:24:46 PM
Greetings to all in the name of our Savior Jesus Christ. Pastor Faith, I diligently read your posts regarding the prophecy of Dan. 9, but was unable to follow your points. Maybe if we go over it slowly, myself and others may be able to understand where you're coming from. Of course we must understand vs. 24-25 before we go to 26-27. Let's start with Dan. 9:24 - "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy." Can you explain when the does the 70 weeks begin and end? Feel free to include scriptures. Hopefully we can learn from one another. I Thes. 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." God Bless.
Re: The end of the matter: Pastor Faith - 11/8/2009 6:21:03 AM Bro. Ellis, I welcome your question. I am humbly sorry that you were unable to follow my points; I forgot that some brethren require more milk than others according to (Heb.5:12)> Please forgive me. On the subject, The Church associates the prophecy of Daniel chapter 9 with the Christ‘s death or Crucifixion. Clinging to sections like: “In the midst of the week” and “Cause the sacrifice to cease” I entirely disagree. > In order to suggest that a prophecy has been fulfilled, every point of the Text must be satisfied. 1 of 3 parts >>>
Re: The end of the matter: Pastor Faith - 11/8/2009 6:14:57 AM Part 2 What Daniel is describing is (1)>a period when Only Everlasting Righteousness would exist forever; the complete end of sin. Does that exist today? NO (2) >As I explained in my earlier post, even during the 1000years reign the Laws & Sacrifices will be re-enact according to the scriptures. This would discredit the prophecy even further. Hence, based on Biblical evidence, that time this prophecy is likely to be fulfilled is after the 1000year period.>>
Re: The end of the matter: Pastor Faith - 11/8/2009 6:11:47 AM Part 3 If you focus on the prophecy closely, you realise that it coincides with Rev. 20:7-10 when satan shall be loose for a season: Both Dan.9 & Rev. 20 is in line with the Holy City or beloved City being attacked by the adversary. That also concludes the end of sin: and The Appearance of God who will bring everlasting Righteousness forever. Therefore, I conclude that this 70weeks prophecy has not yet been fulfilled; and will be during the release season of satan after the thousand years. God bless.
Re: The end of the matter: Gatluak Deng - 11/9/2009 3:00:46 AM Daniel 9:26 & 27 PART ONE
I would still recommend any one interested to understand this subject to read Sabbath lesson of 23 June 2001 for more clarifications specially the calculation part on the lesson study however for those who demand of what we teach. Here is what I have to say.
Part One
a) Many warnings were made by prophets to Israel that Jerusalem will be destroy and people will be taken captive if they don’t amend their ways by doing the Commandments of Yahweh.( Deutronomy 28:1-68, Jeremiah 7:1-34,17:19-25,Ezekiel 5:1-17… etc)
b) Jerusalem and the temple which was build by Solomon were destroyed finally by Nebuchadnezar king of Babylon who took away the children of Israel into captivity for not heeding these warnings. (2Kings 25:1-30)
Part Two
Daniel understood that they did not do the commandments of Yahweh and did not listen to the warnings made by the prophets (Moses, Ezekiel, Jeremiah… etc). That was why Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed. He was ......Continue
Re: The end of the matter: Gatluak Deng - 11/9/2009 3:03:30 AM begging Yahweh’s mercy “to restore Jerusalem and the temple (Sanctuary) and above all to forgive the sins (transgressions) of Israel which is the cause of all that trouble”. (Daniel 9:1-19)
The answer to Daniel prayer request:-The angel Gabriel came to give Daniel an answer to his request thus he said to Daniel:Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people upon thy city, to finish the transgression and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity and to bring in everlasting righteousness and to seal up the vision and prophecy and to ANOINT the most Holy.(Daniel 9:24)
*The most Holy has to be anointed to carry out the act of reconciliation, make an end to sins and finally bring in EVERLASTING righteousness(once and for all no more every year Hebrews 10:12-14), the making of the new covenant by fulfilling the vision of the prophets and the prophecies*.But before the anointing of the most Holy, Jerusalem and the temple have to be re-build.
Re: The end of the matter: Gatluak Deng - 11/9/2009 3:04:30 AM as a result Gabriel went on by saying:Know and understand that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to built Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again and the wall even in troublous times.(Daniel 9:25)
When the time came; the command was issue to build Jerusalem and the temple but b/c of the complaints and troubles created by the gentiles around Jerusalem the work delayed a lot in which it took forty-six years to complete the temple which took only seven years by Solomon. In deed it was a troublous time (Ezra 4:1-23). Finally Jerusalem and the temple were rebuilt and in the days when yahshua was born there was a temple built (not by Solomon) in Jerusalem (Ezra 7, John 2:20).
For Messiah (yahshua) to carry out the task of reconciliation and to bring in everlasting righteousness by making new covenant with many; he has to be anointed and that was exactly what happened in the river Jordon
Re: The end of the matter: Gatluak Deng - 11/9/2009 3:05:42 AM (Mark 1:10) The SPIRIT of Lord is upon me, because he hath ANOINTED ME to preach the gospel to the poor; he has sent me to heal the broken hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord…this day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears said yahshua.(Luke 4:18-21)
Gabriel went on to say: And after threescore and two weeks shall messiah be CUT OFF but NOT FOR HIMSELF: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with flood, and unto the END OF WAR DESOLATIONS are determined. And he shall confirm the COVENANT with many for one week and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifices and the oblations to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.(Daniel 9:26-27).
This two
Re: The end of the matter: Gatluak Deng - 11/9/2009 3:07:08 AM verses talk of two people
1. Of Messiah who comes to make covenant with many and eventually died on their behalf to bring in everlasting righteousness and complete the work of reconciliation.
2. Of a prince and his people who comes after messiah completed his work. The work of this prince and his people is to destroy Jerusalem again and the temple and finally the land of Israel has to be left desolate for the people will be taken captives into all nations.
After yahshua preached repentance (the ministry of reconciliation): he told his disciples to prepare for the last super and in the super here is what he had to say after giving them pieces of unleavened bread to eat: He took the cup and gave thanks and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; for this is my blood of the New TESTAMENT (covenant) which is shed for many for the remission of sins (Matthew 26:26-28) thus making COVENANT with many as said to Daniel by Gabriel fulfilling vision and prophecies (Luke 24:44-47).
Re: The end of the matter: Gatluak Deng - 11/9/2009 3:08:43 AM to be cut off (die) but not for himself. Isaiah said “….For he was CUT OFF out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken (Isaiah 53:8).
Regarding the prince who comes after messiah to destroy Jerusalem and the temple here is what yahshua had to say when he was asked of the temple: And as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said. As for these things which ye behold the days will come in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down…..And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies then know that the DESOLATION thereof is nigh…..And they shall fall by the edge of the sword and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the gentiles until the times of the gentiles be fulfilled(Luke 21:5-6,20,24 mat24:15). Yahshua knew that after him was coming the abomination of desolation. He knew the temple and Jerusalem were going to be
Re: The end of the matter: Gatluak Deng - 11/9/2009 3:11:37 AM destroyed by a prince of Gentile with his armies and this was what was finally done by Romans. He even warns the women on his way to Golgotha when they were mourning for him as the Roman Soldiers were taking him. These Romans were going to do what they did to him to children of Jerusalem when he said “Daughters of Jerusalem weep not for me but weep for yourselves and for your children…..For if they(Romans) do these things in a green tree(Israel), what shall be done in the dry?(Luke 23:28-31). It was 70 CE that Roman General Titus besieges Jerusalem and destroyed the temple around 80 AD. The Jews were all in exile (in Europe, Africa, America, Asia…etc) from that time till 1922 when the Balfour declaration was sign and the call for all Jews to come back home was herald.
Re: The end of the matter: Gatluak Deng - 11/9/2009 3:13:35 AM Where you went wrong:
1. Jerusalem and the temple build by Solomon were destroyed by Babylon Jews were taken captives.
2. Daniel pleads for the restoration of the destroyed Jerusalem and the temple.
3. Gabriel came with a message of promise for Jerusalem and the temple to be rebuilt and messiah will come to make reconciliation.
4. Gabriel also tell of the promised Jerusalem and temple to be destroy again after the death of Messiah and that after their destruction DESOLATIONS will follow.
5. Jerusalem and the temple were built during the reign of Medes and Persians.
6. After the death of messiah, Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed by Romans leading to its final DESOLATION.
7. Revelation 20:7-10 is about Heavenly Jerusalem which will be surround after 1000 years reign. Although it will be surrounded it will not be DESTROYED nor will it see DESOLATION.
It is absurd of you and deceptive to say Daniel 9:26&27 coincides with Revelation 20:7. your argument is deceptive and absurd
Re: The end of the matter: Gatluak Deng - 11/9/2009 9:45:39 AM It is exactly the same way William Miller interpreted Daniel ch 8 which caused and continues to cause deception. Read on this web site the tract entitled " 1844 a year of Deception"
Re: The end of the matter: Ellis - 11/10/2009 7:50:34 PM Bro Deng, I must commend you on a wonderful job in explaining the prophecy of Daniel chapter 9. I hope others will take the time to look into your explanation more closely as it helps bring to light the fulfillment of the Messiah when he came to earth. I encourage you to keep strong in the faith and to continue in studying God's word. God Bless.
Re: The end of the matter: Gatluak Deng - 11/12/2009 3:18:13 PM Thank you brother Ellis and Allelu yah for giving us understanding of his word.
They said the church forty points are wrong and deceptive.
they said “Faith in Saviour only” don’t keep the commanments.
they need prove from New testament only exclude old testament as if it is not the same spirit. Are not all scripture given by inspiration?(2timothy 3:16 ) Didn’t the holy men of old time spake as they where moved by the same spirit which moved the apostles?(2peter 1:21) they are crying for the church to Joint Sunday worshipers and disregard the sabbath.Basically, All what they believe is contrary to what we belief and preach.
How did they in the first place became one of us calling themselves our brothers? I think I know who they are. They are of them prophecy to come dressed in sheep’s clothing (In the name of our saviour) (Matthew 7:15,24:11) disguising themselves to be preachers of righteousness inorder to deceive if possibble the very elects (2cornthian 11:14-15). The spirit adv
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Pastor Faith - 11/11/2009 6:20:07 PM
Thank you Bro. Gatluak for your analysis of the Dan.9 prophecy: the contents of which I will examine in detail. Thanks for putting some meat on the bone. However, if you are alleging that this prophecy has been fulfilled, please explain the following: Would you describe the period from Christ’s death till now as> (1) the end of sin? > (2) a period of everlasting righteous? > (3) You’ve mentioned that the City during the 1000yrs is heavenly Jerusalem Really? I thought Rev.21:1&2 confirms that the holy city comes down from God after the 1000years reign (4) > Why are the sacrifices & laws being re-activated during the 1000years reign? After all, the prophecy uses language like Consummation which means: fulfilment or to end. Please clarify. 1of 2 parts
Re: The end of the matter: Pastor Faith - 11/11/2009 6:28:12 PM Part 2 I understand why this prophecy can be considered fulfilled: But ONLY in the context of "To everyone that Believes.” Because Christ has become our End of sin, Righteousness ,Reconciliation and our Law if we believe by Faith. See the following scriptures John3:16 ,2Cor. 5:18, Rom6:18, Romans9:30, 2Cor.5:21> But as to the Global literal order of Righteousness, Ending of sin & sacrifices which the prophecy so describes, Not yet convince, sorry. Godbless.
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