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• FEASTS OF THE LORD:   kiprono rotich - 3/8/2010 11:04:27 AM
  Are the feast of old testament binding on christians of new testament? this is one of the contantious issue in the church, should it make us stay apart? can someone teach me on this
  
  

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• Forty-Five years a generation?:   Gatluak Deng - 1/31/2010 10:37:23 AM
  refering to bible lesson dated 28 November 2009. To say a generation is forty five years is and can not be correct. I will come back with biblical explaination. endure to the end.
  
  

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• When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?::   Pastor Faith - 12/12/2009 7:35:26 PM
  I am absolutely surprised that No one challenges Bro. Gatluak with such miss leading findings. It is obvious that not enough of our brethren are able to critically analyse scriptures. With reference to the previous topic [Dan.9 prophecy,] I asked the following questions, which has never been answered: (1) Since Christ died; can we say it’s the end of sin? Or (2) Everlasting Righteousness? In the context which Daniel saw it? YES and NO is the answer. 1 of 4 parts
  
  
  • Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?::  Pastor Faith - 12/12/2009 7:39:19 PM
    Part 2: YES! Only to those who believe by Faith; which means, Christ has become our righteousness; to all who believes. And If Christ is Righteous so are we If we believe in him by faith. NO! Because this World is still heavily in sin and Daniel saw a World free of sin, and everlasting righteousness. So what we are really experiencing is work in progress.
    
    
    • Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?::  Gatluak Deng - 12/14/2009 2:14:45 PM
      There is nothing call “YES and NO”. This show exactly how you are in dilemma of which answer is yours. As for your question” which you reiterated: Since messiah’s death; should we say he brought in EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS and an END TO SINS? My answer. YES. How?..Since the establishment of Levitical priest hood, sins were never forgiven but only covered. Although a high priest enter every year to the most holy place with sacrifice for his own sin and the sin of his people(Israel); there had been always remembrance of sins for it was NOT Possible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins because in those sacrifices there is REMEMBRANCE AGAIN MADE OF SINS EVERY YEAR (Hebrew 10:1-3) Daniel was confessing those sins and iniquities of Israel (Daniel 9:20) But this man(Yahshua), after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat on the right hand of God….For by one offering he hath PERFECTED FOREVER them that are sanctified.(Hebrew 10:12) Hence he brought in an everlasting
      
      
      • Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?::  Gatluak Deng - 12/14/2009 2:18:30 PM
        righteousness an end to sins which the blood of the bulls and goats could not do. It is harmonious to say he “CAUSED THE SACRIFICES AND THE OBLATIONS TO CEASE. For having perfected them forever by his sacrifice, there is no need for that useless practice which could not make unto perfection the comer to continue (Daniel 9:27) because in referring to this Covenant which yahshua made with many (Daniel 9:27) our father said “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my Laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And THEIR SINS AND INIQUITIES WILL I REMEMBER NO MORE. (Hebrew 10: 16-17) As for period of General righteousness and the end of Lawlessness through out the world which you kept on bringing up, it was never been the Issue for Daniel in this chapter( 9:1-27) but DANIEL WAS CONCERN IN PARTICULAR WITH THE SIN OF HIS PEOPLE. I don’t see why you can not understand this.
        
        
        • Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?::  Pastor Faith - 12/17/2009 10:48:42 AM
          Bro Gatluak, Your continuous explanation confirms why our churches cannot grow. It is much too subjective; rather than being more objective. I know Paul would never let me down: quote “For by one offering he hath perfected forever them THEM THAT ARE SANTIFIED.(Hebrew 10:12) “ Please take time to look at the language. Which is exactly what John 3:16 says: Whosoever believes. So I am fully correct. Yes! If you are a believer, Jew or Gentile, Christ has taken your sins away once and for all. You have obtained everlasting righteousness by grace through faith. Eph 2:8 >>>>1of 2 parts
          
          
        • Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?::  Pastor Faith - 12/17/2009 10:46:57 AM
          Part 2:> Its funny how Daniel was concerned about the sins of his people; when his people rejected Christ. You see, Daniel was looking at the smaller picture. God was looking at the broader picture. Today, his people are whosoever who believeth in him. Exactly as Paul explained” THEM THAT ARE SANTIFIED.” It may have started with the Jews, but his aim was always to include all of man-kind. That is the intented purpose; to create a complete World free of sin. So the work has began; but its not fully completed. If you guys try to contain your arrogance and pay attention; then may be the Church will start to grow. God bless.
          
          
  • Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?::  Pastor Faith - 12/12/2009 7:38:10 PM
    Part 3: A similar scenario can be used regarding the current Topic: When will heavenly Jerusalem descend? If we examine the scriptures, we will accept that once Christ ruler -ship is set up on Earth at his second coming, then yes; the authority will be of Heaven. But it remains clear in the Scriptures that The New Heaven & New Earth & New Jerusalem does not accrue Not till 1000years is over: Because of unfinished business still due.
    
    
  • Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?::  Pastor Faith - 12/12/2009 7:36:38 PM
    Part: 4 During the 1000years many people will get to know the Lord and accept his ways. The Gospel must be preached into the entire World before the End comes. Bro. Gatluak, I am afraid, 2Peter 3:10 is not talking about the second coming of Christ. No! He is talking about the appearance of God the Father at the End. Please think about this quote; “The elements shall be melted with fervent heat.” If the Earth is all burnt up and melted up; at Christ’s second coming, How would earthly man survive ? Your explanation makes it Impossible for the many Prophecies spoken of by prophets like Isaiah, Zachariah& Jeremiah regarding Earthly man’s state during the 1000years to be fulfilled. Sorry! Bro. Gatluak; You’ve got it wrong again! God bless
    
    

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• When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?:   Gatluak Deng - 11/29/2009 4:06:51 AM
  Some say it will come down after 1000 years others say it will come at the beginning of 1000 years and they all claim Revelation 21:1-3 as the prove for their claim.What does the scripture really say? And I saw new heaven and new earth for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was NO MORE SEA. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.(Revelation 21:1-2). It is clear from the above scripture that before Jerusalem descent, the first heaven and the first earth have to pass away and the new heaven and the new earth appears. It is then comes New Jerusalem. The question is; at what condition is the present earth and heaven and when will they pass away? -But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word, are kept in store, reserved unto fire against THE DAY OF JUDGMENT and perdition of ungodly men. (2peter 3:7) How did Yahshua relate the Day of Judgement and the fire?.
  
  
  • Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?:  Gatluak Deng - 11/29/2009 4:08:09 AM
    ?..Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorha in the day of judgement than for that city. (Mat 10:15)…the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained FIRE and BRIMSTONE from heaven, and destroyed them all. Even thus shall it be IN THE DAY when the son of man is REVEALED. (Luke 17:29-30) How will this Day of Judgment come and how will it affect the present heavens and earth? -But the day of the lord will come AS A THIEF IN THE NIGHT, in the which the HEAVENS SHALL PASS AWAY with great noise and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, THE EARTH also and the works therein shall BURNED UP.(peter 3:10) Note: the Day of the Lord coming like a thief in the night is the very day we are now waiting for, the second coming of Messiah. This is the beginning of millennium. And this is when the first heavens and the first earth passed away. How was it seen by John?
    
    
    • Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?:  Gatluak Deng - 11/29/2009 4:08:56 AM
      -and lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair; and the moon became blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven DEPARTED as A SCROLL when it is rolled together; and EVERY MOUNTAIN and ISLAND were MOVED out of their places. And the kings of the earth and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and the rocks, Fall on us, and HIDE US FROM THE FACE OF HIM THAT SITTETH ON THE THRONE, AND FROM THE WRATH OF THE LAMB. For the GREAT DAY of his WRATH is come; and who shall be able to stand? (Revelation 6:12-17) …And they shall go INTO the holes of the rocks and into the caves of the earth, for fear of the Lord and for the GLORY of his MAJESTY, when he arises to SHAKE TERRIBLY THE EARTH (Isaiah
      
      
      • Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?:  Gatluak Deng - 11/29/2009 4:14:41 AM
        2:17-22)–I have long time holden my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a travailing woman; I will DESTROY and DEVOUR AT ONCE. I will make WASTE MOUNTAINS and HILLS, and dry up their herbs; and I will make the RIVERS ISLANDS, and I will DRY UP THE POOLS. (Isaiah 42:13-15) ...For in my jealousy and in the fire of my wrath have I spoken, SURELY IN THAT DAY there shall be GREAT SHAKING in the land of is Israel; So that the fishes of the sea and the fowls of the heaven and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the MOUNTAINS shall be THROWN DOWN, and ALL THE STEEP PLACES SHALL FALL, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL TO THE GROUND ……And I will plead with him(Gog) with pestilences and with blood and will rain upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the people that are with him an OVERFLOWING RAIN, and GREAT HAILSTONES, FIRE, AND BRIMSTONE.(Ezekiel
        
        
        • Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?:  Gatluak Deng - 11/29/2009 4:16:49 AM
          38:18-23)….For the windows from on high are open and the FOUNDATIONS of the EARTH do SHAKE. The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is MOVED EXCEEDINGLY. The earth shall REEL TO AND FRO LIKE A DRUNKARD,….Then the MOON shall be CONFOUNDED, the SUN ASHAMED, when the Lord of hosts SHALL REIGN IN MOUNTAIN ZION AND IN JERUSALEM AND BEFORE HIS ANCIENTS GLORIOUSLY(Isaiah 24:18-23) How did Yahshua confirm this?-Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall THE SUN BE DARKENED AND THE MOON SHALL NOT GIVE HER LIGHT, AND THE STARS SHALL FALL FROM HEAVEN, AND THE POWERS OF HEAVEN SHALL BE SHAKEN: And then shall appear the sign of the son of man in heaven: and then shall ALL THE TRIBES OF THE EARTH MOURN, AND THEY SHALL SEE THE SON OF MAN COMING IN THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN WITH POWER AND GREAT GLORY.(Matthew24:29-31) … he hath PROMISED , saying, yet once more I SHAKE NOT THE EARTH ONLY, BUT ALSO THE HEAVEN. And this word. YET ONCE MORE, signifieth the REMOVING
          
          
        • Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?:  Gatluak Deng - 11/29/2009 4:16:26 AM
          of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that THOSE THINGS WHICH CANNOT BE SHAKEN MAY REMAIN. (Hebrew 12:26-27). It is clear now that what REMAINS of this heaven and this earth after that day is what will be calls NEW HEAVEN and NEW EARTH. After the stars are totally removed and burn, the heaven will have a different look. While on earth instead of the sea new lands will emerge and many mountains will be thrown down; New Rivers will be formed including the river of life from under ground Mountain Olives (eastern Jerusalem Zechariah 14:1-9 Joel 3:18 Isaiah 30:25). In fact you will not need our current Geographical map to find your way around if lucky to be alive after that day, for it will be a different earth completely. Immediately after the foundation is laid then comes down Jerusalem. As soon as it arrives, what will be say regarding all the present sufferings on the present earth and present heaven?-Behold the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell wi
          
          
        • Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?:  Gatluak Deng - 11/29/2009 4:16:00 AM
          with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for THE FORMER THINGS ARE PASS AWAY…behold I make all things NEW. (Revelation 21:3-4)….For be hold I create new heaven and new earth (Isaiah 65:17-25) Indeed this is where in dwells righteousness for the kingdom is of messiah and the saints. And just before his wrath comes, at what condition will all nations be? …And the nations were ANGRY, and THY WRATH IS COME, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest GIVE REWARD UNTO THY SERVANTS THE PROPHETS, AND TO THE SAINTS (Revelation 11:15-18)…The earthen RAGED, the kingdoms were moved: he UTTER HIS VOICE and the earth melted (Psalm 46:6-10)….The Lord also shall ROAR out of ZION and UTTER HIS VOICE from Jerusalem; and the HEAVEN and EARTH shall SHAKE but Yahweh wi
          
          
          • Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?:  Gatluak Deng - 11/29/2009 4:26:18 AM
            will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel( the Nation ISRAEL of our time Joel 3:15-16). Are we not seeing this happening before our very own eyes? How many nations in the General Assembly are condemning (angry) Israel today? We are just few miles away before all of them say; enough of State of Israel. For when they shall say “Peace and Safety” you know what happens (1thessalonica 5:1-3) But the wicked shall do wickedly and NON of the wicked shall understand but the wise shall understand (Daniel 12:10) How will yahshua deal with the remnant of these nations after that day? He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries (psalm 110:6, 2:8-12, Revelation 19:15, 2:26-27).....and he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations a far off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation; ne
            
            
            • Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?:  Gatluak Deng - 11/29/2009 4:29:15 AM
              neither shall they learn war any more. But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree (Micah 4:3-4)… It shall be said in that day. Come behold the works of the Lord what desolations he hath made in the earth. He maketh wars to CEASE UNTO THE END OF THE EARTH; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burns the chariot in the fire. BE STILL and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth (Psalm 46:6-10)…. The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together: And a little child shall lead them……and the lion shall eat straw like ox (Isaiah 11:1-9) . The reason why all this destruction will happen to all people is plain and clear…..Because they have transgress the LAWS, CHANGED THE ORDINANCE, BROKEN THE EVERLASTING COVENANT (Isaiah 24:5)…wherefore the children of Israel shall keep THE SABBATH , to observe the Sabbath throu
              
              
              • Re: When will Heavenly Jerusalem Deescent?:  Gatluak Deng - 11/29/2009 4:30:42 AM
                throughout their generations, for a PERPETUAL COVENANT. It is a sign between me and the children of Israel FOREVER …. (Exodus 31:16-17) The day of our master is a combination of Rain and hail stones, earth and heaven quake, fire and brimstone…. terrible indeed; with stars burning on their way to wards earth and who shall bear it? Hasting for it surely is not a good idea for those who do not seek him diligently. For EL-Shadai is a consuming Fire and who shall abide the day of his coming? And who shall stand when he appears? For every battle of the warrior is with confuse noise, and garments rolled in blood; but this shall be with BURNING and a FUEL of FIRE (Isaiah 9:5-7)…
                
                

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• The end of the matter:   Ellis - 11/6/2009 9:24:46 PM
  Greetings to all in the name of our Savior Jesus Christ. Pastor Faith, I diligently read your posts regarding the prophecy of Dan. 9, but was unable to follow your points. Maybe if we go over it slowly, myself and others may be able to understand where you're coming from. Of course we must understand vs. 24-25 before we go to 26-27. Let's start with Dan. 9:24 - "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy." Can you explain when the does the 70 weeks begin and end? Feel free to include scriptures. Hopefully we can learn from one another. I Thes. 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." God Bless.
  
  
  • Re: The end of the matter:  Pastor Faith - 11/8/2009 6:21:03 AM
    Bro. Ellis, I welcome your question. I am humbly sorry that you were unable to follow my points; I forgot that some brethren require more milk than others according to (Heb.5:12)> Please forgive me. On the subject, The Church associates the prophecy of Daniel chapter 9 with the Christ‘s death or Crucifixion. Clinging to sections like: “In the midst of the week” and “Cause the sacrifice to cease” I entirely disagree. > In order to suggest that a prophecy has been fulfilled, every point of the Text must be satisfied. 1 of 3 parts >>>
    
    
  • Re: The end of the matter:  Pastor Faith - 11/8/2009 6:14:57 AM
    Part 2 What Daniel is describing is (1)>a period when Only Everlasting Righteousness would exist forever; the complete end of sin. Does that exist today? NO (2) >As I explained in my earlier post, even during the 1000years reign the Laws & Sacrifices will be re-enact according to the scriptures. This would discredit the prophecy even further. Hence, based on Biblical evidence, that time this prophecy is likely to be fulfilled is after the 1000year period.>>
    
    
  • Re: The end of the matter:  Pastor Faith - 11/8/2009 6:11:47 AM
    Part 3 If you focus on the prophecy closely, you realise that it coincides with Rev. 20:7-10 when satan shall be loose for a season: Both Dan.9 & Rev. 20 is in line with the Holy City or beloved City being attacked by the adversary. That also concludes the end of sin: and The Appearance of God who will bring everlasting Righteousness forever. Therefore, I conclude that this 70weeks prophecy has not yet been fulfilled; and will be during the release season of satan after the thousand years. God bless.
    
    
    • Re: The end of the matter:  Gatluak Deng - 11/9/2009 3:00:46 AM
      Daniel 9:26 & 27 PART ONE I would still recommend any one interested to understand this subject to read Sabbath lesson of 23 June 2001 for more clarifications specially the calculation part on the lesson study however for those who demand of what we teach. Here is what I have to say. Part One a) Many warnings were made by prophets to Israel that Jerusalem will be destroy and people will be taken captive if they don’t amend their ways by doing the Commandments of Yahweh.( Deutronomy 28:1-68, Jeremiah 7:1-34,17:19-25,Ezekiel 5:1-17… etc) b) Jerusalem and the temple which was build by Solomon were destroyed finally by Nebuchadnezar king of Babylon who took away the children of Israel into captivity for not heeding these warnings. (2Kings 25:1-30) Part Two Daniel understood that they did not do the commandments of Yahweh and did not listen to the warnings made by the prophets (Moses, Ezekiel, Jeremiah… etc). That was why Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed. He was ......Continue
      
      
      • Re: The end of the matter:  Gatluak Deng - 11/9/2009 3:03:30 AM
        begging Yahweh’s mercy “to restore Jerusalem and the temple (Sanctuary) and above all to forgive the sins (transgressions) of Israel which is the cause of all that trouble”. (Daniel 9:1-19) The answer to Daniel prayer request:-The angel Gabriel came to give Daniel an answer to his request thus he said to Daniel:Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people upon thy city, to finish the transgression and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity and to bring in everlasting righteousness and to seal up the vision and prophecy and to ANOINT the most Holy.(Daniel 9:24) *The most Holy has to be anointed to carry out the act of reconciliation, make an end to sins and finally bring in EVERLASTING righteousness(once and for all no more every year Hebrews 10:12-14), the making of the new covenant by fulfilling the vision of the prophets and the prophecies*.But before the anointing of the most Holy, Jerusalem and the temple have to be re-build.
        
        
        • Re: The end of the matter:  Gatluak Deng - 11/9/2009 3:04:30 AM
          as a result Gabriel went on by saying:Know and understand that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to built Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again and the wall even in troublous times.(Daniel 9:25) When the time came; the command was issue to build Jerusalem and the temple but b/c of the complaints and troubles created by the gentiles around Jerusalem the work delayed a lot in which it took forty-six years to complete the temple which took only seven years by Solomon. In deed it was a troublous time (Ezra 4:1-23). Finally Jerusalem and the temple were rebuilt and in the days when yahshua was born there was a temple built (not by Solomon) in Jerusalem (Ezra 7, John 2:20). For Messiah (yahshua) to carry out the task of reconciliation and to bring in everlasting righteousness by making new covenant with many; he has to be anointed and that was exactly what happened in the river Jordon
          
          
          • Re: The end of the matter:  Gatluak Deng - 11/9/2009 3:05:42 AM
            (Mark 1:10) The SPIRIT of Lord is upon me, because he hath ANOINTED ME to preach the gospel to the poor; he has sent me to heal the broken hearted, to preach deliverance to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, to preach the acceptable year of the Lord…this day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears said yahshua.(Luke 4:18-21) Gabriel went on to say: And after threescore and two weeks shall messiah be CUT OFF but NOT FOR HIMSELF: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with flood, and unto the END OF WAR DESOLATIONS are determined. And he shall confirm the COVENANT with many for one week and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifices and the oblations to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.(Daniel 9:26-27). This two
            
            
            • Re: The end of the matter:  Gatluak Deng - 11/9/2009 3:07:08 AM
              verses talk of two people 1. Of Messiah who comes to make covenant with many and eventually died on their behalf to bring in everlasting righteousness and complete the work of reconciliation. 2. Of a prince and his people who comes after messiah completed his work. The work of this prince and his people is to destroy Jerusalem again and the temple and finally the land of Israel has to be left desolate for the people will be taken captives into all nations. After yahshua preached repentance (the ministry of reconciliation): he told his disciples to prepare for the last super and in the super here is what he had to say after giving them pieces of unleavened bread to eat: He took the cup and gave thanks and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; for this is my blood of the New TESTAMENT (covenant) which is shed for many for the remission of sins (Matthew 26:26-28) thus making COVENANT with many as said to Daniel by Gabriel fulfilling vision and prophecies (Luke 24:44-47).
              
              
              • Re: The end of the matter:  Gatluak Deng - 11/9/2009 3:08:43 AM
                to be cut off (die) but not for himself. Isaiah said “….For he was CUT OFF out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken (Isaiah 53:8). Regarding the prince who comes after messiah to destroy Jerusalem and the temple here is what yahshua had to say when he was asked of the temple: And as some spoke of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said. As for these things which ye behold the days will come in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down…..And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies then know that the DESOLATION thereof is nigh…..And they shall fall by the edge of the sword and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the gentiles until the times of the gentiles be fulfilled(Luke 21:5-6,20,24 mat24:15). Yahshua knew that after him was coming the abomination of desolation. He knew the temple and Jerusalem were going to be
                
                
                • Re: The end of the matter:  Gatluak Deng - 11/9/2009 3:11:37 AM
                  destroyed by a prince of Gentile with his armies and this was what was finally done by Romans. He even warns the women on his way to Golgotha when they were mourning for him as the Roman Soldiers were taking him. These Romans were going to do what they did to him to children of Jerusalem when he said “Daughters of Jerusalem weep not for me but weep for yourselves and for your children…..For if they(Romans) do these things in a green tree(Israel), what shall be done in the dry?(Luke 23:28-31). It was 70 CE that Roman General Titus besieges Jerusalem and destroyed the temple around 80 AD. The Jews were all in exile (in Europe, Africa, America, Asia…etc) from that time till 1922 when the Balfour declaration was sign and the call for all Jews to come back home was herald.
                  
                  
                  • Re: The end of the matter:  Gatluak Deng - 11/9/2009 3:13:35 AM
                    Where you went wrong: 1. Jerusalem and the temple build by Solomon were destroyed by Babylon Jews were taken captives. 2. Daniel pleads for the restoration of the destroyed Jerusalem and the temple. 3. Gabriel came with a message of promise for Jerusalem and the temple to be rebuilt and messiah will come to make reconciliation. 4. Gabriel also tell of the promised Jerusalem and temple to be destroy again after the death of Messiah and that after their destruction DESOLATIONS will follow. 5. Jerusalem and the temple were built during the reign of Medes and Persians. 6. After the death of messiah, Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed by Romans leading to its final DESOLATION. 7. Revelation 20:7-10 is about Heavenly Jerusalem which will be surround after 1000 years reign. Although it will be surrounded it will not be DESTROYED nor will it see DESOLATION. It is absurd of you and deceptive to say Daniel 9:26&27 coincides with Revelation 20:7. your argument is deceptive and absurd
                    
                    
                    • Re: The end of the matter:  Gatluak Deng - 11/9/2009 9:45:39 AM
                      It is exactly the same way William Miller interpreted Daniel ch 8 which caused and continues to cause deception. Read on this web site the tract entitled " 1844 a year of Deception"
                      
                      
                      • Re: The end of the matter:  Ellis - 11/10/2009 7:50:34 PM
                        Bro Deng, I must commend you on a wonderful job in explaining the prophecy of Daniel chapter 9. I hope others will take the time to look into your explanation more closely as it helps bring to light the fulfillment of the Messiah when he came to earth. I encourage you to keep strong in the faith and to continue in studying God's word. God Bless.
                        
                        
                        • Re: The end of the matter:  Gatluak Deng - 11/12/2009 3:18:13 PM
                          Thank you brother Ellis and Allelu yah for giving us understanding of his word. They said the church forty points are wrong and deceptive. they said “Faith in Saviour only” don’t keep the commanments. they need prove from New testament only exclude old testament as if it is not the same spirit. Are not all scripture given by inspiration?(2timothy 3:16 ) Didn’t the holy men of old time spake as they where moved by the same spirit which moved the apostles?(2peter 1:21) they are crying for the church to Joint Sunday worshipers and disregard the sabbath.Basically, All what they believe is contrary to what we belief and preach. How did they in the first place became one of us calling themselves our brothers? I think I know who they are. They are of them prophecy to come dressed in sheep’s clothing (In the name of our saviour) (Matthew 7:15,24:11) disguising themselves to be preachers of righteousness inorder to deceive if possibble the very elects (2cornthian 11:14-15). The spirit adv
                          
                          

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• The end of the matter:   Pastor Faith - 11/11/2009 6:20:07 PM
  Thank you Bro. Gatluak for your analysis of the Dan.9 prophecy: the contents of which I will examine in detail. Thanks for putting some meat on the bone. However, if you are alleging that this prophecy has been fulfilled, please explain the following: Would you describe the period from Christ’s death till now as> (1) the end of sin? > (2) a period of everlasting righteous? > (3) You’ve mentioned that the City during the 1000yrs is heavenly Jerusalem Really? I thought Rev.21:1&2 confirms that the holy city comes down from God after the 1000years reign (4) > Why are the sacrifices & laws being re-activated during the 1000years reign? After all, the prophecy uses language like Consummation which means: fulfilment or to end. Please clarify. 1of 2 parts
  
  
  • Re: The end of the matter:  Pastor Faith - 11/11/2009 6:28:12 PM
    Part 2 I understand why this prophecy can be considered fulfilled: But ONLY in the context of "To everyone that Believes.” Because Christ has become our End of sin, Righteousness ,Reconciliation and our Law if we believe by Faith. See the following scriptures John3:16 ,2Cor. 5:18, Rom6:18, Romans9:30, 2Cor.5:21> But as to the Global literal order of Righteousness, Ending of sin & sacrifices which the prophecy so describes, Not yet convince, sorry. Godbless.
    
    

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• The Conclusion of the whole matter!:   Gatluak Deng - 11/4/2009 3:07:46 PM
  In order to have eternal life, keep the COMMANDMENTS (Matthew 19:16-17).To enter new Jerusalem, keep the COMMANDMENTS (Revelation 22:14).He that says I know Him(Yahshua) and keep NOT his COMMANDMENTS is a liar and the TRUTH is not in him(1John 2:4)For to the LAW and to the TESTIMONY if they speak NOT according to this word, It is b/c there is no LIGHT in them(Isaiah 8:20,Revelation 12:17). Here is the patient of the Saints: here are they that keep the COMMANDMENTS of YHWH and the FAITH of Yahshua (Revelation 14:12)Hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear YHWH and keep his COMMANDMENTS (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14).Do not be DECEIVED by those writing on this web site professing to be our brothers. No marvel their end will be according to their works(2Corinthians 11:14-15)
  
  
  • Re: The Conclusion of the whole matter!:  Pastor Faith - 11/4/2009 4:07:36 PM
    Bro. Gatluak, with all due respect; the days of these vague paraphrasing are over. We need some meat on the bone. I have laid a perfect foundation for a genuine debate. The burden of proof is on you or the church to prove or explain where I went wrong; regarding my thoughts on Dan.9:26&27> Please take your time and explain to me/us, why the church thinks this prophecy has been fulfilled. I have taken time to give a step by step account; I think that’s perfectly reasonable. Why don’t you or the church do the same? Because so far, you are incoherent; you are basically throwing words: God bless.
    
    

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• The End Of The Matter:   Pastor Faith - 11/2/2009 8:01:03 PM
  Bro Cornel, thank you for your invitation: sorry for my delayed response. I must stress however, that with regards to the timing of Christ’s Crucifixion, I have not yet studied this topic fully; but concerning the quote in Daniel 9:26 & 27, I reaffirm that this is not talking about Christ’s death or crucifixion. The church’s 40points is completely misleading on these passages of scripture. Let me explain> 1 of 10 parts
  
  
  • Re: The End Of The Matter:  Gatluak Deng - 11/4/2009 1:44:20 AM
    According to your own words.You have not yet study this topic.It seem to you that the prophecy of Daniel 9:26&27 coincides with revelation 20:7.And you expect us to believe that which only seems and not yet studied? waaw...We are not in a hurry. Salvation is base on truth and not on what seems to be true. We are to prove all things from the scripture.
    
    
  • Re: The End Of The Matter:  Pastor Faith - 11/2/2009 8:12:40 PM
    Part 2 I know this may appear difficult for many of our members to understand; but this quote in Daniel explains the controversy which for decades has caused so much division amongst our church brethren, and has forced many to form or join separate organisations over the years; all because of our poor understanding and reasoning of scriptures.
    
    
  • Re: The End Of The Matter:  Pastor Faith - 11/2/2009 8:11:28 PM
    Part 3 In the Old-Testament many prophets received divine revelations from God; many of these prophecies referred to the end time period. Such examples can be traced as early as the book of Genesis. In the book of Jude chapter 1, verse 14, we see Enoch the seventh from Adam receiving a prophecy beholding the Lord coming with 10,000 of his saints. Daniel was no exception; He received many great visions and prophecies concerning the end time period.
    
    
  • Re: The End Of The Matter:  Pastor Faith - 11/2/2009 8:10:22 PM
    Part 4 Many people including brethren from our church, are of the opinion that the end-time period come to completion at Christ return. No! The 1000year period is part of the end time period. The end of all things ceases when God the Father appears see 1 cor.15:24, Rev.20 from verses 11 till the end. Prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zechariah, Ezekiel, Daniel and many more, received many revelations of events which are predicted to take place during the 1000 years period. With reference to the topic, the events Daniel saw was concerning the finial part of the 1000years period.
    
    
  • Re: The End Of The Matter:  Pastor Faith - 11/2/2009 8:09:09 PM
    Part 5 This is where it gets interesting: In Rev.11: from verses1 John was ask to arise and measure the temple. In Ezekiel chapter 40 onwards, full details about the rebuilt temple are disclosed; including the sacrificial laws being carried out by the Priest. In Zechariah 14 the scriptures speak about the World keeping all the law from year to year. Further examples can be seen in Isaiah 19: 21, 56:7, Jeremiah 17:26 all speaking about events which will occur during the 1000years reign; they’re even talking about sacrifices being performed; the shedding of blood.
    
    
  • Re: The End Of The Matter:  Pastor Faith - 11/2/2009 8:07:44 PM
    Part 6 The big question is, why then is the Old Testament Laws and even the sacrifices re-activated during the 1000year reign period? In I Timothy 1:9 Paul explains that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers: In Gal.319 he further explains that the Law was added due to transgressions. This makes perfect sense: because here Paul is describing the classification of persons who do not have Christ in their hearts. Such will be those who did not accept Christ or his message of the Gospel in our now period. Their seed will be reverted back to the law. They have received the curse of the Law; due to disobedience. see Gal.3:10
    
    
  • Re: The End Of The Matter:  Pastor Faith - 11/2/2009 8:06:22 PM
    Part 7 Today, we who truly believe in Christ have obtained the seal of circumcision in heart, righteousness & salvation because of our Faith in him; not by our works. So the law bears no effect on us because our righteousness is by faith and belief in Christ; as Paul rightly explains Gal.3:13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the Law and in Romans10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth.> Today, our righteousness is clearly determined by our faith and believeth in Christ Jesus: For it is him who has declared us righteous.
    
    
  • Re: The End Of The Matter:  Pastor Faith - 11/2/2009 8:05:14 PM
    Part 8 I have said all of the above to explain that during the 1000year reign period Earthly man’s righteousness will be measured based on the Law and Sacrifices, just like the days of old: That is because they are the remnants of the seed of disobedience, who did not believe. When in Isaiah 8:20 we see the quote “To the Law and testimony” If you read the text carefully, you would realise that the prophet is talking about the 1000years period. COG7thday and many other law- intensive churches use this text out of context all the time; to suit them.
    
    
  • Re: The End Of The Matter:  Pastor Faith - 11/2/2009 8:04:07 PM
    Part 9 Daniel saw a prophecy which would bring a complete end to sin and bring in everlasting righteousness. No more sacrifices, no more Law keeping: all with God the father, and his son Jesus. That time will be after the 1000years. It seems to me that the Prophecy of Daniel 26&27 coincides with Revelation Chapter 20:7 Satan being loose after the 1000years reign attempting to destroy what Christ has established on earth.
    
    
  • Re: The End Of The Matter:  Pastor Faith - 11/2/2009 8:02:48 PM
    Part 10 Conclusion: Notice Daniel 9:26 & 27says the same as revelation 20: 7-9 Satan shall attack the Holy City. During this period messiah shall be cut off for a brief period as Daniel gave full details. I believe that the covenant he shall confirm is “salvation” see: Matt 24:13 & Rev.3: 5 “Faith and belief in Him or endurance till the end”. Hope this puts an end to the matter. I am open to any questions> Keep the faith. God bless.
    
    

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• Crucifixion & Resurrection:   Cornel Gordon - 10/19/2009 10:59:46 AM
  Greetings all, lovely lesson last sabbath. One comment though. Dan 9:27 does not refer to the crucifixion of Christ. One reason why i say this because i have not found the existence of any covenant made by Christ for one week "Confirm a covenant with many for one week" if such covenant exist can someone please enlighten me. Also why would Christ - our faithful & just high priest - break or change such covenant at its half way stage? Note Dan 9:26 "And after the sixty and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself..." Thanks.
  
  
  • Re: Crucifixion & Resurrection:  Pastor Faith - 10/19/2009 5:42:23 PM
    Webmaster are you or the Church’s Doctrine alleging; that the quote in Dan. 9:26 “Shall Messiah be cut off” means dead or crucified? Please confirm. Secondly, If so, don't you think that Christ would have somewhere in the New Testament draw reference to it? After all, he mentioned Jonah, why not Daniel? I and many need further clarification.
    
    
    • Re: Crucifixion & Resurrection:  Gatluak Deng - 11/2/2009 2:20:36 PM
      Yes,the church mean exactly that and b/c you & other do not know where to find what in this web site. Go to bible lesson June 23 2001 and read Isaiah 53:8 to find who is to be cut off and for who if not for himself. If you are not satisfy then come back. May the Holy One of Israel bless our eyes and see what the world could not see and repent.
      
      
  • Re: Crucifixion & Resurrection:  Pastor Faith - 10/19/2009 12:12:46 PM
    Bro. Cornel, This is really fascinating stuff; the lord works in mysterious ways. Actually, I thought the same thing myself after reading Daniel 9:27>I have always warned the Church to be careful what they teach. We have recently seen Bro. Bertie suffered a heavy blow due to his negligence; something which could have easily been avoided. I am not saying that Christ may not have been crucified on a Wednesday, but I believe that this particular Scripture certainly does not refer to his crucifixion; it’s being used out of context. I believe we have gotten carried away because the text says “he will cause the sacrifice to cease” > My explanation might seem shocking, but I will allow webmaster, and whoever else to give their explanation first. God bless, Keep the Faith.
    
    
    • Re: Crucifixion & Resurrection:  Cornel Gordon - 10/25/2009 10:15:09 PM
      Greetings Pastor Faith, I appreciate the fact that you read my post & commented on it. I am at a loss however why more persons have not commented on the topic though as the topic relates to one of the forty points of doctrine of the Cog7day. Where are the teachers, elders, evangelists, deacons, sisters or brothers of the church. Can someone please assist the members with this topic. I think that topics & lessons like these require a lot of discussions as we the members of the church of God have to contend on a daily basis with persons who requires us to defend our points of doctrine. Whatever doctrine we propose must be consistent with scripture - RIGHTLY DEVIDED - If by wednesday no one else comments on this subject then i would love for Pastor Faith to share his explanation on the timing of the Crucifixion & Resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. I am also willing to share my understanding of the subject as i think the matter is highly important. Peace & love to all.
      
      

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• Inactive Message Board:   Cornel Gordon - 10/31/2009 7:26:38 AM
  Greetings all. It seems this message board is just for decoration. I say this because there has been no response to certain posts & there have been no new posts for a while. I wonder then, does anyone read the posts here?
  
  

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